Sailors required to "ask" persmission to Stay Navy!

[Hoppi aka Angie]

Every Sailor with under 14 years in the USN is now required to ask the USN if they will be able to reenlist in the USN. Not everyone will be granted permission to Stay Navy. Sailors need to start planning now if they want to reenlist, even if it is 1,2,3 or more years down the road. What a Sailor does now can and will effect their chance of reenlisting.

For any Sailor thinking this doesn't effect them, they are greatly mistaken and may not be able to reenlist if they don't get all the information to make an informed choice.


Navy Expands PTS for Sailors E-6 and Below With 14 Years or Less

Release Date: 05/28/2009

By Navy Personnel Command Public Affairs

MILLINGTON, Tenn. -- The Chief of Naval Personnel announced plans to expand the Navy's Perform to Serve (PTS) program to include all Sailors, E-6 and below, with 14 years or less of service, beginning June 1 as described in NAVADMIN 161/09.

PTS is a centralized reservation system that helps the Navy manage reenlistments of Sailors with less than 10 years of service, or Zones A and B. The expansion of the PTS program allows the Navy greater flexibility to control the number of Sailors in specific ratings and provides better advancement opportunities for Sailors, while helping the Navy manage manpower requirements.

"The Perform to Serve program is an essential tool that allows us to provide stable and predictable manning to the fleet. It will allow us to keep a balanced force based on experience, skill sets, and seniority matched to requirements," said Vice Adm. Mark Ferguson, chief of naval personnel.

The NAVADMIN expands PTS to include Zone C Sailors with 10 to 14 years of service. Therefore, all E-6 and below Zone C Sailors with an End of Active Obligated Service (EAOS) date on or after Feb. 1, 2010 must submit a PTS application regardless of their reenlistment intentions. However, Zone C Sailors selected for or already advanced to chief petty officer are exempt.

In addition to members of the chief petty officer community, exemptions include Sailors currently under Permanent Change of Station orders, Sailors with an approved conversion package and Sailors with an approved Selected Reenlistment Bonus precertification.

According to statistics from the Center for Career Development, in 2008 almost 90 percent of Sailors who applied for PTS remained in their current rating. Quality Sailors who hold ratings in overmanned fields may be offered reenlistment in an undermanned rating. However, Sailors with a poor performance history may not be granted permission to reenlist.

"Our future is in our E-4, E-5, and E-6 petty officers who should see advancement opportunities in their future in an organization that rewards the best performance," said Ferguson.

Sailors should consult their career counselors about 15 months prior to their EAOS to complete the required paperwork and request their command submit a PTS application, regardless of their intentions to re-enlist.

For more information regarding the submission process, application format or other PTS issues, please visit www.npc.navy.mil or contact NPC's Customer Service Center by calling 1-866-U-ASK-NPC (1-866-827-5672).

Navy Expands PTS

[Hoppi aka Angie]

Jinky65: It will affect him.

Mhahnc: Where are you getting your info from? The ADAN, will be affected by PTS, and just because he is not a PO does NOT mean he will NOT be allowed to reenlist. First off you don't know when the ADAN's EAOS is, it could be out a year or more giving him time to make PO3. Unless you have all the facts, please do not come on here and tell a mother "he will more than likely not be allowed to reenlist"

For the info of everyone I am NC1 at TSC Great Lakes IL, My office puts in more PTS applications in a month than some commands do in a year. We fully review the PTS program to insure we are on top of the info at all times to insure your Sailors are taken care of properly.

So please feel free to ask PTS questions.

[ksaul09]

This is great information to keep up on- My husband is over 24 yrs a 4.0 sailor and alot of knowledge with 3 aircraft platforms as well as worked in Flag Staff for the last 6 years.

This is hitting the Sr Enlisted as well- anyone over 20 yrs has to go through a board to stay in as well if they are up for reenlistment this just started this yr as well. Choices are advance or take Priority orders even if they ar Geo Bach orders (away from the family.)
Kristina

[Pamela Henry]

thanks for letting us all know, i just emailed my son also to let him know. He is new to the fleet, spent 18 months is school before going to his place on the ship. I want him to have all the information now to plan for his future, he loves the navy andi dont want him to not get ahead by not finding out now what is expected down the road. kind of like preparing for collage when you are in junior high. Thanks again. My daughter just enlisted again for another 6 years, GO NAVY!!!!!

[Suzan]

Thanks for telling us this info - my son is a newbie - he has only been in Navy for like 6 months but loves it. He is an MA - I told him to get crackin" with the volunteer stuff, and to be sure to work hard and not goof off, etc. Will good behavior and volunteer stuff help him out? He really enjoys being in the Navy! He's in GA right now and will be for the next two years, then he'll probably go overseas. Should I worry he won't be able to reenlist or is it too soon? Sorry, I really don't know a lot about all of this - just that this a career that really works for him, in his (and my) opinions! Sooz

[Debby]

My son is/was trying to cross rate.. unfortunately there is nothing available that he wants to do all the jobs he is qualified for are over staffed.. he is however taking some classes to improve his asvab so he can see if anything else opens up.. he said right now as it stands he's leaving the Navy.. its sad to me since when he does leave he will have 3 possibly 4 deployments to the sand under his belt... of course this is subject to change and he is 1 1/2 years away from separation (he enlisted for 6) so a lot can happen... we'll see...

[Barbara (Derek's Mom)]

I know how you feel Debby, same thing happened to one of mine and he got out. He really did want to stay in longer but the things he was interested in weren't available and now I read all the time about new sailors in the rate he wanted. Gets under my skin sometimes but it's his life not mine and he has a family and wants to stay in one place. Best of luck to your son!

[Mom Sho]

I have been following this carefully as well as all the information about re-enlistment options for HM's. I have asked my son repeatedly if he has started working on this as Sept. will be the first month of his final year of enlistment. He made the decision long ago that he wants this to be his life. His re-enlistment packet must be submitted by the 30th day of of Septmber. Apparently there is a Chief in Iraq where he is serving, but because he is separated from the main body of his command at the base where he is currently serving, he says no one there really knows enough about the process to help him get started over there. ??????? Everything I have read states that Chiefs service wide are supposed to be fully briefed about this process. The requirements state that he should have started this process 15 months out but what happens to you if you are in the sandbox and no one there seems to be able to help? And are you allowed any leeway with regard to deadlines requesting re-enlistment if you've been deployed to the war zone? The rumors are they will return home "sometime" in September but their orders could keep them there through October. So how does he go about preparing his re-enlistment request if no one over there can assist him? I would appreciate hearing from anyone who may be able to advise on this.....I think sometimes I am the only one worrying about all this stuff!!!! Who should he be talking to over there?

[Hoppi aka Angie]

If he is IA'ed he should be talking to his parent command. He MUST be PTS approved to reenlist int he USN. There is NOT leeway with the deadlines just because he is in the sandbox. There are sailors from my command who are in the sandbox, and my command is in comm's with them. I have had my sailors reenlist over there and I have gotten their PTS approved.

He needs to keep buging the chief out their about his PTS. He can also talk to ECRC who is the command back in the states who is in charge of him.

[Lady Hamilton]

The latest news on this topic from Stars & Stripes. Looks like no one is guaranteed reenlistment.
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63839

Senior sailors’ fitness on the line
By David J. Carter, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Thursday, July 23, 2009

Enlisted sailors with more than 20 years of service may find themselves out of a job by June, according to a Navy message Monday.

Performance-based continuation boards, the Navy’s latest end-strength shaping effort, are scheduled to kick off this September and will determine if a sailor is going to be recommended for continuation in service or forced to retire.

The program is focusing on sailors in the ranks of E-7 to E-9 with more than 20 years of active service. According to the Navy Personnel Command Web site, high-year tenure is currently 24 years for chief petty officers (E-7), 26 for senior chiefs (E-8) and 30 for master chiefs (E-9).

Commanders will be notified by November of sailors who are not selected for continuation. Those sailors will be required to transfer to the fleet reserve or retire by June 30, the message stated.

The move is designed to ensure the Navy retains top-performing sailors and is one of many force-shaping efforts the service currently has in place, officials said.

Earlier this year the Navy began cracking down on unfit sailors, administratively separating those who failed three or more physical fitness assessments in a four-year period.

More recently, the Navy expanded its perform-to-serve campaign to sailors with 10 to 14 years of service, now requiring them to submit an application to remain in their current rating. And last month the service suspended the selective re-enlistment bonus program, which had offered up to $90,000 to sailors with specific job skills.

The continuation boards, which consist of a dozen senior officers as well as 70 fleet, force and command master chiefs, will examine the last five years of the sailors’ records, the message stated. If a history of substandard performance is present, the board may review an individual sailor’s entire career.

Navy officials say quotas aren’t being established for the program.

"Documented misconduct and substandard performance will be the primary reasons a chief petty officer is not continued," Senior Chief Petty Officer Johannes Gonzales, regional career counselor at Yokosuka Naval Base, Japan, said Wednesday. "These boards are based on an individual’s performance and have nothing to do with numbers or rate management."

According to Gonzales, the board will look at a number of factors, but says one imperfection in a record shouldn’t give anyone reason to be worried.

"As chief petty officers, we operate under professional guiding principles," Gonzales said. "The ones leaving are the ones who have not kept up with those principles."

Advancement to chief petty officer hit a 10-year low this year, according to the Navy’s 2010 advancement quotas.

[Valerie H.]

lady Hampton,

Can you tell me what the different Zones mean in this article? Or where to find out that info?

[Julissa]

thanks a lot nice to know about this i just sent it to my daughter whos an E3 now just completed here 1st year in the Navy.

[Lady Hamilton]

Zone A are sailors with less than six years of service; zone B between six and 10 years of service; zone C from 10 to 14 years of service.

Emma