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June 10
I lived in New Orleans for 10 years - I love to cook and I cook spicy!!
June 8
Well, I guess recipes would then be an okay discussion...at least for some of us!
June 8
Yes, recipes and interfaith prayers. Please do NOT mention any real religious issues in said prayers, however!!! Spicy...my son LOVES extra spicy. Does your son not like spicy. Oh no...we could get very divisive on this issue. Okay, discussion of re…
June 8
If you all didn't read Elle's blog - The warm and fuzzies were so nasty we all lost our groups!
June 8
It is after 8 where I live and for me that counts as the start of the new week and the weekend over. I guess it wasn't set up to automatically come back at a certain time. Don't know much about computers though.......just really miss you all.......h…
June 8
What Lib group did they shut down? I was just on Navy Moms for Obama and it is still up. Also, the other conservative group is down, too. I hope they just didn't target the Conservatives.
June 8
This is the first site I go to when I log on so hopefully it will be back and running tomorrow.
June 8
Deb, your friends should be back tomorrow, as hopefully, this site will be also. We shall see.
June 7
Gosh ladies. I sure hope we don't lose this. What would I do without you all???? I'm willing to try harder to get along.
June 7
June 7
I am waiting for tomorrow to see if we can actually post here again. I never saw what the actual problem was I guess so am in the dark about it all. Love this group of Moms though so really hope it will be back.
June 7
As to what happened....water under the bridge. A "war" of sorts between some members of different ideologies. Enough said on that matter. No point in rehashing the issue, as I totally agree with your second statement...let's all just get along!!!!
June 7
June 7
June 7
I had no idea that we could post anything at all on this while it was shut down. It was indeed closed for the weekend as well as the Obama Mamma site while N4M tries to sort out the issues. Might be open again on Monday, but there may be changes in…
June 7

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About me:
I am the Very Proud Mother of 2 United States NAVY Sailors. My oldest is a NUKE and my "baby" is currently in BUD/s Prep. *** I must now correct this statement, but not remove it. My youngest is doing what he has to do until he can rejoin the BUD/s program. - See my blog "My Son is Out"***

I would like to make a public statement that I have made many times in private. Karen (the white tiger on my friends list) is my cousin and she is my God Daughter. She and her mom, my Aunt Mary and my Uncle Donald are a very major reason my sons are the sons, men and my personal heroes they are. When I had very little (time and money) they were there for us. Karen would pick up my boys from school and take them to her house while I was working 2 and sometimes 3 jobs. She would help them with their homework, feed them, bathe them and take them back to my house to wait for me to get home. Aunt Mary made sure they had their favorite foods in the house and doted and spoiled them worse than any grandmother I have ever known. And Uncle Donald made sure they knew the fine art of properly singing Woolly Bully and the proper way to do the "HillBilly Shuffle". They have been there for us when ever and where ever we have ever needed them without being asked. I could not have made the life for my sons I did with out them. I have said Thank You many times, but there is no way it would even begin to repay the love they have given my sons. We lost Aunt Mary many years ago and I know she is watching out for my boys. What an angel to have on their side!! My youngest is still the only one allowed in Uncle Donald's private "cubby" of tools. And, as for Karen. If anyone deserves the title of Proud NAVY "Cousin" it is surely her. I am proud to have her stand by my side as we watch "our" sons grow into these fine men. So, Karen, again I want to say Thank You for being my son's "Other Mom".

Yes, PollyAnna "Even Stupid People Need Protecting" - thank you "w"*
I am here to support or represent my:
Son/Daughter
Stage of (Sailor’s) Navy Career?
Enlisted
When I heard “Navy,” I:
Was proud and encouraged it
From my experience with the Navy, the most important thing I learned was:
We are going through a very rough time at present. My Daddy always said if I couldn't say anything nice to not say anything at all.

So, that is what I am doing. I am doing my best to be a good Navy Mom and support my son even as he is being "challenged" at every turn. I will honor my son's request to keep my mouth shut.
Through this Navy experience, I now believe:
It was positive and maturing. Our relationship has grown stronger.

They've crushed my soul”….

They've crushed my soul”….

I sure hope someone can help me understand those words. My son said those words to me. “They've crushed my soul”…. I understand the meaning of each word. What I can not comprehend is the concept. “They've crushed my soul”……………

I am so very, very confused, frustrated, angry, disappointed, bitter and I am feeling things even my ex-husband couldn't bring out in me. Wow. I told my self things would work out. Things would be ok. And someone would see the error that was made and correct it. A very simple thing to do. Nothing that would require the signature of the President. Not a federal case. But it has sure been made to be more than correcting a mistake. I was sure there was someone who cared more about the “Good of the NAVY” than how admitting a mistake would look. Someone who would not make this a personal vendetta and work so hard to misplace the responsibility. The Navy has a lot already invested in him to just toss him aside.

However, the more time passes the worse things get. And now my son has said to me “They've crushed my soul”…..

Here is the short version:
On April 15th he was told he had sinusitis

Late in the evening, on April 16th he was taken to the VA Hospital by ambulance with a fever and coughing up blood – He was told he had pneumonia and 40% lung capacity in his left lung. He was kept for a few hours, given fluids and meds and sent back to the unheated building where he had been living. I got the call from the base in response to my call to the Red Cross at 1:35 am Friday April 17th telling me that he was in fact still at “medical” being given fluids and antibiotics. I was told I would receive a call at 8:00 am my time with an update on his condition. A call I did not receive. I was told to feel free to call the base anytime. What I did receive was a call from my son asking me to please, please not make a fuss over all of this. He was going to be ok. He was feeling better and wanted to rest and to get ready for the test now less than 72 hours away. His biggest concern was getting rolled.

On April 20th he was cleared by an E-2 Corpsman to take the following test:
1000 meter swim (with fins) – 20 minutes
70 push-ups – 2 minutes
60 sit-ups – 2 minutes
10 pull-ups – no time limit
4 mile run – 32 minutes

Result of the test:
1000 meter swim (with fins) – 20 minutes - SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED in 19 minutes
70 push-ups – 2 minutes - SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED 72
60 sit-ups – 2 minutes - SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED
10 pull-ups – no time limit – SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED 11
4 mile run – 32 minutes – FAILED – AFTER 3 ¼ MILES. HE PASSED OUT ON THE TRACK BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT QUIT.

I apologize for shouting. No, I do not apologize. I want to shout. I want to scream. I want the whole world to know the courage it took for him to do this with less than a 72 hour recovery period. I want the whole world to know he had made a commitment to his boat crew and he was going to do everything he could to honor their commitment to him by not taking a “medical” out. He could have told the E-2 Corpsman how he was really feeling. But he did not. He begged and pleaded with the him to clear him so he could go with his boat crew to BUD/s. My concern was for him. I did not want him to do it because, at 19 he does not want to accept the fact that he is a mortal. What 19 year old does? They all think they are invincible. SpecOps mentality is a rare breed in and of its self. If you know someone in SpecOps, you know what I mean. If you don't, it's very hard to explain, but my son has it, always has had it.

He has always been very healthy. He was in perfect health when he went to BUD/s Prep and was healthy until he got sick on the 14th. He had good numbers until that point.

He was a body builder and competed in 2007. He took 2nd place in his weight class. He felt his biggest accomplishment was not the fact that he took 2nd place, but that he did it without steroids.

My questions now are: Why was he cleared? Why didn't someone question that? Why was he allowed to fail? I have spoken to several doctors and nurses and have been told there is no way he should have been cleared that soon to take that kind of physical test no matter how much he begged and pleaded. In fact, he could have very seriously hurt himself. They were amazed he made it as far as he did. He had been without proper nutrition and rest for 5 days. Many fail that test when they are perfectly healthy.

He was told he shouldn’t have gotten sick! Like he had a choice! He was in a building with no heat. He was exposed daily to those who had various stages of various communicable diseases. I’m amazed he stayed as healthy as he did for as long as he did. I’m even more amazed he recovered as quickly as he has. He did not choose to have a fever for 4 days. He did not choose to cough for 3 days. He did not choose to vomit for 3 days. He did not choose to be unable to eat, drink or sleep for 3 days. He did not choose to get pneumonia. He did not choose to fail.

He did choose to do his best to serve his country to the best of his ability. He did choose to eat, sleep and live NAVY for months before enlisting. He did choose to get up every day at 4:30am to PT. He did choose to seek out mentors to help him be the best he could be. He did choose to make the numbers he needed to become the Best of the Best. He did choose to commit to his country to give his very life in defense of her beliefs. He did choose John Paul Jones’ quote as his own. He did choose to leave me to be a part of something so much greater than us all. Just like every other candidate vying for one of those coveted positions at BUD/s he chose to give everything he had every day.

I would expect nothing less from our special forces. And quite frankly, I would not have supported his decision to serve in that capacity had he not first proven to me his commitment. I’m sure there will be a time, and perhaps many times, he will face a lot worse than sleeping in an unheated building and being exposed to diseases. I understand that and that I can accept. What I can not accept is the lack of support he has received at this stage of his career.

Now, he has been labeled a “sore looser” for asking why he was not given the same treatment and opportunity others received. I'm sure he was “sore”. I'm sure his chest was sore. I'm sure his lungs were sore. I'm sure his stomach was sore. I'm sure his back was sore. I'm sure his head was sore. But I wonder who the real “looser” is. What bothers me most is now his heart is sore…. “They've crushed my soul”…. He is being told he had better just accept it. His life in the Navy can be made very hard on him. They can beat him down and play minds games all they want. “They've crushed my soul”……. How very, sad.

In my original post - My Son is Out - I asked if it was fair. A member responded: “Navy's goal is not to be fair to sailors, their goal is to chose best of the best and do what is nessecery.” Ok, so fair was not the word to use. I can't get those words out of my head. “Do what is necessary. Best of the Best”…… I am trying really hard to accept this. I am trying really hard. I'm just not doing a very good job. Please know this is not a personal attack of any kind against the member who posted that. If anything, I'm grateful for those words. It helps to know it’s not supposed to be personal. I understand WHAT happened. I just can't get a grip on the WHY and the HOW it has come to this. “They've crushed my soul”…

Isn’t it the Best of the Best who give unselfishly of themselves without regard to personal health and welfare when it is Necessary? Isn’t it the Best of the Best who are willing to risk everything for the “team” when it is Necessary? To My Son, My Hero, in his little part of this vast world, that was what needed to be done, at that time. He did just that. He risked it all for his team. In my humble opinion he has shown all the qualities of the Best of the Best when Necessary. I had hoped there would be those who would be able to see and recognize the Best of the Best doing what was Necessary.

"You have to be able to endure a lot of physical pain, emotional pain and you just have to dig deep," said Master Chief Paul Tharp. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6763316

How much deeper can a person dig than their soul?

He is beat down. But he is not out. Not by a long shot. He is a strong kid. He is a good friend and he is my personal hero. His perseverance has only made me more proud of him. I’m a lucky woman to be able to call him MY SON.

I have been told members on here just love to tattle and carry stories from here to their military contacts. Well, you know what? Go right ahead and take this one to whom ever you want. I really hope someone has Master Chief Tharp's or the Command Master Chief's personal e-mail address. I welcome an impartial assessment of this situation. I understand this is on a public post and there may be the unfortunate and unhappy person to respond with ugly and mean comments. So, to you I say, Take your best shot.

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My Son is Out

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Posted on April 20, 2009 at 4:00pm — 14 Comments

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At 11:32am on June 26, 2009, Nate's Mom (Wendy) ;P said…
Hey you!! You get lost in the Appelachian Mountains too..*S* Hope all is goin good for ya.
At 1:59pm on June 22, 2009, Nate's Mom (Wendy) ;P said…
hey, I wocked and woaded too wheres that wasky wabbit? :)
At 5:42am on June 19, 2009, Nate's Mom (Wendy) ;P said…
"knock knock" anyone home?? :) Hope ya ok.
At 9:15pm on June 10, 2009, Julie (Cory's mom) said…
Deb: Just checking in to see if you and Joyce (Tucson Mom) ever made contact. Let me know. You'll really like her!
At 12:58pm on June 9, 2009, Nate's Mom (Wendy) ;P said…
ok this site went down again..last night..*wondering what YOU thought*..*LOL*
At 4:24pm on June 7, 2009, Achseh said…
Hi Deb,
I'm not sure how long it's been since families could attend PIR. I think they probably always were allowed to, but it just wasn't something that was as easy to do as it is now- you know, since airline ticket prices came down. My husband's PIR in 1983 had maybe about 100 per 600 sailors. It's just become more common over the years.
At 7:13am on June 7, 2009, MINETTE said…
Hey Deb i'm with yo but being a good Navy mom doesnt mean tolerating injustice. We r not in the 1950s where you were expected to be a good little wife . Your feelings are not unusual and you have a right to them as his mom!!! I understand what ur son meant by asking you not to say anything and i would honor that request if it were me too but you are allowed to speak your peace here at NFMs so go for it and dont worry about anything else. There r things we cannot discuss ofcourse but as far as how you feel about the injustice done to your son let it out vent it out of your system and then try to move on if you can. Unfortunately there will b many more little injustices to come. You will learn to pick the battles that make sence and to let the others go. Believe me i've had my fair share of heartbreak with the Navy so i understand. Please keep in touch.I was very proud of you for telling all of us how u felt. Good job on the blog!! Keep em coming Deb it may be ur salvation.

I went back and forth about wether to write some of the things that i posted on my page but i decided that the truth must be told and i love NFMs because you can be yourself on Ur page.Go to my page when u get a chance but bring some tissues cause everyone says it make them cry. I dont meann to make people sad but to shed light on whats happening to our soldiers and i think i did that God Bless you nd ur family;)
At 6:15pm on June 5, 2009, Julie (Cory's mom) said…
Deb. I sent you a "friend" request. Julie
At 10:17am on May 27, 2009, Melia said…
Don't forget what you wrote....


My Daddy always said if I couldn't say anything nice to not say anything at all.

So, that is what I am doing. I am doing my best to be a good Navy Mom and support my son even as he is being "challenged" at every turn. I will honor my son's request to keep my mouth shut.
At 1:26pm on May 9, 2009, Michele said…
Hi, Deb. I wasn't sure if you were ever able to get through to the GL Ombudsman. If not, you might try calling the Great Lakes FFSC at (847)688-3603 ex 100 - and ask to obtain the contact information for your specific Command Ombudsman.

Hope this helps.
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