Women Will Serve on Submarines, Navy Secretary Says - Navy For Moms2024-03-29T15:00:03Zhttps://navyformoms.ning.com/forum/topics/women-will-serve-on-submarines?id=1971797%3ATopic%3A3004968&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThat is the weakest possible…tag:navyformoms.ning.com,2010-09-22:1971797:Comment:41838932010-09-22T04:46:29.847ZArwenhttps://navyformoms.ning.com/profile/Arwen
That is the weakest possible argument, especially for submarines.<br />
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It may be a good argument that women are not as well suited as men for jobs that require a lot of physical upper-body strength. I agree there could be a point to that. Hauling line, heaving things around, etc. Maybe for boatswain's mate, machinist's mate, or damage control this argument might work.<br />
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Submarines feature mall spaces and most equipment that needs more finesse than force. Women have more endurance than men and are…
That is the weakest possible argument, especially for submarines.<br />
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It may be a good argument that women are not as well suited as men for jobs that require a lot of physical upper-body strength. I agree there could be a point to that. Hauling line, heaving things around, etc. Maybe for boatswain's mate, machinist's mate, or damage control this argument might work.<br />
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Submarines feature mall spaces and most equipment that needs more finesse than force. Women have more endurance than men and are better at collaborative work than men. Women are, on average, smaller, need fewer calories per day, and would create a lower impact on the submarine's food supply and air supply system. Smaller bodies would make the submarine feel a bit less crowded.<br />
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Yes, there are differences between men and women, strengths and weaknesses. In the case of submarines, I would say it is men who are less suited to submarines than women. By your argument, that men and women should do what they are suited for, shouldn't it be the men who are kicked out of the submarine service? Being a woman, I hope noone i…tag:navyformoms.ning.com,2010-09-13:1971797:Comment:41427012010-09-13T19:14:23.282ZJen - Ship10mom(Div340)https://navyformoms.ning.com/profile/Ship10mom
Being a woman, I hope noone is offended when I say I think this would be disastrous! Man does not = Woman. There are differences between men and women, thier strengths and thier weaknesses for a reason - we are built differently from the beginning!<br />
I love my freedoms, my rights, and the fact that I can be respected as a capable, free-thinking individual with the ability to make powerful decisions, choices, and actions - however I am not, and never will be a man.<br />
Our subs and thier crew are just…
Being a woman, I hope noone is offended when I say I think this would be disastrous! Man does not = Woman. There are differences between men and women, thier strengths and thier weaknesses for a reason - we are built differently from the beginning!<br />
I love my freedoms, my rights, and the fact that I can be respected as a capable, free-thinking individual with the ability to make powerful decisions, choices, and actions - however I am not, and never will be a man.<br />
Our subs and thier crew are just fine the way they are, and women are able to perform almost any other role in the Navy they want to pursue, why mess up a good thing? Leave the subs to the men! (And let's thank them while we're at it!) Arwen, YOU are 100% on the mo…tag:navyformoms.ning.com,2010-03-30:1971797:Comment:35744392010-03-30T17:45:01.645ZJLD-BensMomhttps://navyformoms.ning.com/xn/detail/u_12lfxbbuofnu9
Arwen, YOU are 100% on the money!! I whole heartedly agree with you!!!!!!
Arwen, YOU are 100% on the money!! I whole heartedly agree with you!!!!!! Actually, I mentioned birth c…tag:navyformoms.ning.com,2010-03-30:1971797:Comment:35741802010-03-30T16:10:34.045ZArwenhttps://navyformoms.ning.com/profile/Arwen
Actually, I mentioned birth control in one of my first posts. If you can't keep your legs together, it only makes sense. Birth control pills also keep cycles stable, even if I wasn't going to be stupid and have sex on a sub (there really are no private places for such a thing to happen) I would use the birth control pills just so my cycle would remain under control.<br />
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I'm also a bit disgusted by the assumption that men and women on a sub can't keep it zipped. I worked with a LOT of men, and was…
Actually, I mentioned birth control in one of my first posts. If you can't keep your legs together, it only makes sense. Birth control pills also keep cycles stable, even if I wasn't going to be stupid and have sex on a sub (there really are no private places for such a thing to happen) I would use the birth control pills just so my cycle would remain under control.<br />
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I'm also a bit disgusted by the assumption that men and women on a sub can't keep it zipped. I worked with a LOT of men, and was friends with a lot of them. Even if one did make a pass at me, friendship and being shipmates doesn't mean I want to have sex with them!<br />
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I think most of the opposition seems to be coming from wives who are feeling threatened that their men will be near other women and may have a relationship - even just a close friendship - with another woman. And being shipmates is one of the closest friendships that can exist, you depend on each other to stay alive!<br />
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A long time ago I was close friends with a cowboy (literal cowboy). All we had in common was a love of horses, and we spent hours talking about them. Except for a friendship born of a shared interest, there was nothing between us. However, his wife wouldn't let us anywhere near each other after a while because, according to her, the only female friend he was allowed to have was HER. An identical friendship with another man was fine, I simply had the wrong plumbing. I would have to agree with yo…tag:navyformoms.ning.com,2010-03-29:1971797:Comment:35719332010-03-29T23:13:37.123ZJLD-BensMomhttps://navyformoms.ning.com/xn/detail/u_12lfxbbuofnu9
I would have to agree with you Arwen, So if I were going to serve on a sub I would certainly take precautions like preventing pregnancy (something that hasn't been mentioned here). Imagine that! Has no one even thought about that who opposes this? Like some bubble headed girl would volunteer to go on a sub! These women are not stupid!
I would have to agree with you Arwen, So if I were going to serve on a sub I would certainly take precautions like preventing pregnancy (something that hasn't been mentioned here). Imagine that! Has no one even thought about that who opposes this? Like some bubble headed girl would volunteer to go on a sub! These women are not stupid! Submarines, being all volunte…tag:navyformoms.ning.com,2010-03-29:1971797:Comment:35699742010-03-29T06:24:53.182ZArwenhttps://navyformoms.ning.com/profile/Arwen
Submarines, being all volunteer (you can't just get assigned to subs, you have to request them, and be accepted!) no woman who doesn't want to be there will be assigned to submarines. If you don't want to be on a sub, don't ask! As for men who don't want to serve with women, well, I just hope they don't let the hatch hit them on the backside on their way out of the Navy. It might damage the hatch.<br />
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My husband was on submarines (MM2/SS), he says he wouldn't have a problem serving alongside women…
Submarines, being all volunteer (you can't just get assigned to subs, you have to request them, and be accepted!) no woman who doesn't want to be there will be assigned to submarines. If you don't want to be on a sub, don't ask! As for men who don't want to serve with women, well, I just hope they don't let the hatch hit them on the backside on their way out of the Navy. It might damage the hatch.<br />
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My husband was on submarines (MM2/SS), he says he wouldn't have a problem serving alongside women on his sub. I spent time onboard submarines, both visiting him and working on repair crew in port, and I don't see where the problem would be. Yes i love the idea of an all…tag:navyformoms.ning.com,2010-03-16:1971797:Comment:35326142010-03-16T18:33:36.493ZMINETTEhttps://navyformoms.ning.com/xn/detail/u_32pgxoj3vdmo7
Yes i love the idea of an all female sub but i realize how unrealistic that will be. One can dream;)
Yes i love the idea of an all female sub but i realize how unrealistic that will be. One can dream;) Leave it to you MJ to respond…tag:navyformoms.ning.com,2010-03-16:1971797:Comment:35326062010-03-16T18:31:12.048ZMINETTEhttps://navyformoms.ning.com/xn/detail/u_32pgxoj3vdmo7
Leave it to you MJ to respond in a nasty negative way as always!!! Its now 2010 and to my absolute delight WOMEN WILL BE ALLOWED ON SUBS!! God knows exactly what hes doing lady and as usual you do not!! If women can graduate from bootcamp in ALL BRANCHES, then they have more than proven themselves to be as qualified as the men and i might add negative nancy that many many men have not made it through boot camp!! Sounds to me like the women are'nt the WEAKER SEX. Its the individual ,not the…
Leave it to you MJ to respond in a nasty negative way as always!!! Its now 2010 and to my absolute delight WOMEN WILL BE ALLOWED ON SUBS!! God knows exactly what hes doing lady and as usual you do not!! If women can graduate from bootcamp in ALL BRANCHES, then they have more than proven themselves to be as qualified as the men and i might add negative nancy that many many men have not made it through boot camp!! Sounds to me like the women are'nt the WEAKER SEX. Its the individual ,not the gender, that makes some weak!! Great job ladies and one more thing can we stop blaming the women only for the fact that women get pregnant. How absurd. Last time i checked lady MEN WERE PARTYLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AS WELL!!! Simply discharge anyone involved from the Navy. If you make it a strict penalty, then lets see how many will take the chance! Mj any reason to show how pissed off at the world you really are!! here is an article from April…tag:navyformoms.ning.com,2009-10-26:1971797:Comment:30625542009-10-26T17:30:56.578Zshellhttps://navyformoms.ning.com/xn/detail/u_3thni9k4djjrj
here is an article from April<br />
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One of the first female Prospective Commanding Officers for submarines is Commander Sarah Bentworth.<br />
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<a href="http://www.subsim.com/new_york_times_sub_article.htm" target="_blank">click here</a>
here is an article from April<br />
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One of the first female Prospective Commanding Officers for submarines is Commander Sarah Bentworth.<br />
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