I don't mean this to be a downer discussion, but I am a realist and a planner. What happens if my SR daughter does not pass BS? Is that an automatic separation or would she be allowed another chance to pass it and PIR delayed? With her PIR on a Wednesday (July 3), when would BS be done and we would get our "I'm a sailor call" or a call saying she didn't pass it? Our plan is to fly in July 2, and I've been told some BS may not bet done until the day before PIR and some couldn't cancel hotels and flights when their SR didn't pass.
I’m with you. I am also a Planner with a capital P.
My understanding is that it is extremely rare for someone not to pass BS. They really press everyone to work together as a team and get everyone through. On the rare occasion that someone doesn’t I don’t believe they are automatically separated. This is not my area of expertise so hopefully someone else will add information. After being in a variety Navy Mom groups for over two years, I haven’t heard of anyone not passing.
The bigger issue is not passing the final PFT and I’ve read many sad reports of that being the case. When we attended Sarge’s Meet and Greet the night before PIR there was a family who landed at the airport only to hear a vm that their recruit didn’t pass and would not graduate. Another family received the same sad news during the dinner. It was hearing this that made me realize that “needs of the Navy” means that in NO WAY are parents or family needs taken into consideration. I don’t mean this as a criticism of the Navy. It is just the reality of the situation. The sole focus of RTC is to train sailors. Making sure parents have information in time to cancel travel plans is not on their agenda at all.
I understand the angst involved around travel. My sailor’s PIR was in Feb and we had plane tickets for early Wednesday morning in case there were any weather-related delays. I can’t tell you the relief I felt when I received the “I’m a sailor” call on Tuesday. I hope you are in the same lucky category and receive the news well in advance of your trip.
The timing of BS varies so be sure to ask your recruit to let you know via letter when her BS is. You can also ask on the separate group for her division. People are asked not to list the date on the main pages here for security reasons but you can ask someone to send you a private message.
There are also a number of Navy Mom FB groups you can join if you are a FB user. Fingers crossed that you will be hugging your new sailor before you know it.
Thank you, that really helps. Question then... are the standards for the final PFT different/harder than the first two they go through? I'm just thinking that if a SR can pass the first two, what keeps them from passing the final one- fatigue, stress, injury? Iv'e heard of this happening, too. Well, whatever happens, I keep in my head that this is my daughter's journey and experience, not mine. I have faith in her that she can do this, but whatever happens, I will be just as proud of her as I always have. ;-)
The standards are the same and chances are if she has passed an earlier one that all will be well. Some don’t pass the earlier ones. My recruit didn’t pass the first one because either she or her partner was heard counting the other's pushups out loud and was disqualified. They had all been told talking wasn't allowed. Even those who don’t pass the final one are given extra chances and extra training time and support. Yes, some don’t pass for the reasons you mention (and illness) and their PIR is delayed.
And yes, it is her journey. And once they are sailors it really doesn’t matter how long it took them to get there.
I agree! thanks!
It is not uncommon for about 10% to 19% of the recruits to fail BS. Don't let that concern you. Many of those fail because they fall asleep, believe it or not. They are given instruction on correcting what caused the failure and are allowed to retake BS. They are not immediately separated,
Can't tell you the exact date of BS, and the division your daughter is in will also play a part in the approx date. I can tell you, with my best guess, since the July 3rd TG only has 7 division BS will be done done for them in just a couple overnights. They may start running BS on the Thursday the week before PIR, with the last group in the TG finishing on Monday morning.
BST-21 is a Team exercise, it is all about helping each other out and being a team player, They must stay awake as this is a 12 hour ordeal. no closing of the eyes or that can fail them. if interested on You tube type in BST-21 and it will show you the extent of this exercise and what all they will do. Very interesting. Also they must stay awake after this is done. They will be allowed to get to bed by 8.
My son told us that his division had a SR that had been set back added to their group the weekend before they did BS so he could go through it with them. As my son explained it, if you don't pass the last PT you're usually set back a week since you can't do BS until you pass it. If you fail BS you can be set back two weeks for rest and additional training. Basically, if the SR makes it to week six they're going to be a sailor. It's just a matter of when.