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Paula - Nothing is stupid here on this forum, you guys are just family members trying to learn more about the Navy, which is cool.  

There is only one thing you messed up on, that is, even though you know that I know the answer, I rather have you ask the entire group of members here on this forum the question. I want our members to step up (like navymom3 did) and answer up.  That way everyone is involved.  I don't ever want to be the one-man-band.  So always start your sentence with "All", instead of "Craig".  Our seasoned moms know there stuff...  

navymom3 - This is why I like you guys standing up.  You have it almost 100% correct.  I know now there are two people that don't fully understand the rate system.  So, by knowing this, I can provide information to the group that might help you guys.  

Soooooo, here is a cheat sheet that one of my deppers on my website made for the others.  The deppers will make this their wallpaper on their computer so they always see it.  But for you guys, I'd just make a short cut on your computer desktop so it's just a button click away.  I hope this might help you guys....

Deppers_Cheat_Sheet1_new_8_6_11.jpg 

Paula - Per you other question, your son will not be a E4.  He is a CTT operator are 4 yo (year), the CTT technical are 6 yo (year), go above in the discussion area to see the difference...

What the difference between a 4 year & 6 year CTT?

If he goes in as a E2, he will still need to meet the Time In Rate (TIR) requirement.  There use to be people called "Push button E4" (which is what I was), but those days are long gone, it went away in the 1990's.

Per for requesting his duty stations on his dream sheet, he needs to begin looking at the billets that are available now and save them.  That way he can write his dream sheet to those orders. Has he bought a CAC card reader?  He will be an E3 when he leaves Pensacola for his 1st duty station.  So he can look at the E1-E3 and the E4 billets.  He is not qualified for the E5 billets.

Click on this link:

What is a CAC card reader? Why is it so important?

Here is the TIR requirements.  Remember, you don't actually need to have the time in on the advancement date, just in the advancement cycle.  (Boy, I'm going to confuse everyone here with that statement)....  

Dee- My son says if it was the auto advance then he will not be eligible until march to take the exam. But if he advanced off the exam from last sept then he can take the exam this sept. He has to be being paid for a full year or from the froked date a full year. I hope I explained it right.

It helps having my oldest here to ask questions.

HA- the more I understand the more I get confused!

Dee - Per your question, I actually made a really cool chart to figure all that crap out.  I need to find it.  It will look like it is extremely hard to understand, but it is actually very simple.  In fact, you sailor will think your a genus for knowing more than most of there command. I guarantee he will be passing around to his buds...

One I find it, I will post it later this evening.   It is actually one of those things that you really need to hang onto.... He will use it for years....

God bless those troops that lost there lifes today in Afghanistan.  This is just a guess, but I beleive their may have been CT's among the SEALS, along with our brothers in the Marines on that helo.  

God bless them.... We feel your families pain....

clockard, that was actually a typo I just made.  I had the YN rating in there, but since you guys are CT's, I wanted to add CTT to make it easier to understand.   In my quick hurry I typo'd it.  It should be CTTSR.  

It has now been corrected... Use this copy..

Word has it that it was a civilian CTI on that helo.  Usually the helo carries both a CTI and a CTT.  They still haven't released any confirmed info yet, this is all rumor mill stuff.  

Frankly it doesn't matter if they were civilian, military, or foreign nationals, it still a totally sad event.  As the song goes, "We didn't the fire, it has always been burning since the world was turning".  Wars have been going on since the beginning of mankind.   All we can do is honor those personnel that believe in our way of life.  Freedom isn't free....

ALL-

So sorry if i offended anyone when i asked my question- I just thought since one person posted something then that is who i would ask a question to. 

Paula - who was offended?  Nobody was offended - this site is full of lurkers that come for information and LOVE it when their question is asked.  Ask!  We are the lucky group-we have Craig!  He is a font of knowledge and so very helpful.  

On another note - people have asked how they can help the SEALS families - it hit so close to home.  I know it won't stop their pain but any donation you can make to the SEALS foundation will help to ease the financial burden. 

http://kitup.military.com/2011/08/forgotten-heroes-navy-seal-famili...

Paula - We're not here to offend people, we are here to help them.  I didn't mean to come off as chewing you @ss, because it wasn't my intention.  Please understand, I run two websites myself, and I am always looking for information that I can pass to the deppers and newly active duty guys.  I know I talk wayyyyy too much, and it's just because I totally understand the system.  

To build a strong and cohesive group everyone needs to be involved.  Everyone needs to show & share their point of view.  I am always looking for more information that might be newer that what I have, that way I have even better stuff to share.  On my website, even though I'm the admin, everyone has a voice.  That's the way I want it.  Believe me, that group is really, really tight.  

Just recently, I never knew you guys didn't understand the rate (civilians call rank) system.  So I went ahead an edited something that I already had, because if you guys don't understand, then there is no way a fresh young depper would understand.  It's all about helping one another.  I'm just glad all of you moms are really into learning the Navy and talking about this stuff.  It shows that you care.  Does that make sense?  

Again, I meant no harm.  I just want all the members to be involved.  Cool?

Hello Everyone -

My son is a CTR3 and is assigned to a destroyer.  He's all serious about studying for and getting his ESWS award soon.  He had mentioned weeks ago he wanted to get that so, in his last e-mail when he mentioned he was working on it, I didn't want to ask what that was again.   I Goggled it and WOW!  That is something really neat.  Does anyone here have any pointers I can pass along?  Thanks!

I actually has the answers too, I'm at my sisters house right now, but I can post those later when I get home....Beleive me, he will surprise them at his board with his knowledge.. (thanks to mom).....

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Hey Thanks Craig!  

Yeah,  he's on an Arleigh Burke class ship.  Would he be in the same situation where he's working for the Admiral?  I don't ask him any questions about work.- don't want to put him on the spot in anyway.  Thanks so much for the info! 

CoeinneL - Here is the study material...

102_Naval_Heritage_and_Doctrine.pdf

103_U_S_Navy_Orgainzation.pdf

104_Shipboard_Organization_and_Administration.pdf

105esws.pdf

106_Deck_Fundamentals_ESWS.pdf

Thanks so much! Craig!!!!

I was tired last night too - just before I dropped off - I realized there would have to be sooo many Admirals to have them on destroyers too.  Good grief!  It gave me a chuckle.  We weren't a military family until our son decided he wanted to enlist - there's new experiences all the time.

107-1_Operations_fundamentals.pdf

107-2_Operations_fundamentals.pdf

108_ESWS.pdf

109_Engineering_Fundamentals_%28ESWS%29.pdf

110_Waste_ESWS.pdf

ESWS_Section_111%2C_Pollution_Control.pdf

CTmom - I bet he got it from the CO of the ship, and not the admiral.  The admiral is just rider, he is not in command of that ship.  If he did get it presented by the Admiral, I'd be very surprised.  

I bet the CO authorized the admiral to pin him if he did.  It's just like when you reenlist, you can have anyone swear you in, however an officer must actually sign the documents.  

Here is the rule:  (you know me, I like to back up my facts with the actual rules)

§ 700.720 Administration and discipline: Staff embarked. In matters of general discipline, the staff of a commander embarked and all enlisted persons serving with the staff shall be subject to the internal regulations and routine of the ship. They shall be assigned regular stations for battle and emergencies. Enlisted persons serving with the staff shall be assigned to the ship for administration and discipline, except in the case of a staff embarked for passage only, and provided in that case that an organization exists and is authorized to act for such purposes.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2010-title32-vol5/pdf/CFR-2010-tit...

Dee - Just wanted to let you know that I haven't been blowing you off concerning the advancement thingy.  I know I'm going to get hammered by questions and I'm trying to cut them down.  I totally understand you guys don't know this stuff, but it's like a Pandora's box, when you think of what I know you guys will ask, then another one pops up.  

So.....  Just to get this out there, I'm going to post the sheet that I orginally said I was going to post.  I actually made this up because when you read the advancement manual, you need a dang doctorate degree to understand it.  It is very intense.  I wanted my son to understand it, thus why I made it up.  I'm thinking of making a section above to give you guys some FAQ on advancement stuff.  

But for now, here is the sheet.  Again, it won't make sense to you guys, but I guarantee when your sailors get to the E5 and E6 levels, they will really appreciate it.

You might want to save it....

NavyDEP.com_TIME_IN_RATE_AND_EXAM_COMPUTATION.pdf 

I know the 1st question will be:

How is my Service In Paygrade (SIPG) date computed for advancement purposes?

Your Terminal Eligibility Date (TED) is the date an advancement candidate's Service in Paygrade (SIPG) is computed for advancement purposes.  Here are the Terminal Eligibility Date (TEDs) for each advancement cycle:

ACTIVE DUTY

E4-E6 March exam:         1 July of the same year (YY0701)

E4-E6 September exam: 1 January of the next year (YY0101)

E7 January exam:           1 January of the next year (YY0101)

November E8-E9:            1 October of the next year (YY1001)

RESERVE

E4-E6 February exam:    1 July of the same year (YY0701)

E4-E6 August exam:       1 January of the next year (YY0101)

E7 February Exam:         1 January of the next year (YY0101)

November E8-E9:            1 October of the next year (YY1001)        

The second question will be:

Am I eligible to take the next advancement exam?

Prior to taking an advancement exam, you must meet all eligibility requirements for the next higher paygrade. You must have met your service in paygrade (SIPG) requirement and have the promotion recommendation of your commanding officer (CO). Check box 45 on your Evaluation Report to see your CO’s recommendation for promotion.

Check the SIPG table below to ensure you meet the SIPG requirement. The * denotes a 1-year SIPG waiver for E-6 and E-7 candidates who have been recommended by their CO for early advancement on their last EVAL. Working hard and doing your job can help you earn the EP and advance ahead of schedule.

Chapter 2 of BUPERSINST 1430.16F has specific details on eligibility requirements for advancement. Also, it's critical that your security clearance is up to date in certain ratings prior to taking the exam; many exams are invalidated due to security clearances.  Check with your division Chief Petty Officer (CPO), Command Career Counselor (CCC), or your Educational Services Officer (ESO) to see if you need to meet any additional mandatory requirements prior to taking your exam.

Service in Paygrade (SIPG) Requirements

Paygrade Service in Paygrade

E-1 to E-2 -- 9 months

E-2 to E-3 -- 9 months

E-3 to E-4 -- 6 months

E-4 to E-5 --12 months

E-5 to E-6 -- 36 months *

E-6 to E-7 -- 36 months *

E-7 to E-8 -- 36 months

E-8 to E-9 -- 36 months

Craig...so happy to hear about your son! 

Sailor received orders today - he is 6-yr. CTT.  Norfolk, VA, USS Arleigh Burke. He is very excited!

clockard - Delegate means that the head guy can have the other lower guys sign off on the award. With the JSCM, which everyone calls a "JCOM", it can only be delegated just so far down.  If you click next to the ribbon in the link I posted you can see who is authorized to be delegated to.  They just don't want everyone to approve them.   Example, the CO is the only one that can authorize liberty, however, he can delegate the authority to the XO, Dept Head, Div off, Div Chief, or LPO.   Which lightens his work load.

Per the presentation of the award,  I told my kid along time ago (like when he was 12) that anyone can get the CO to award them things (reenlistment, awards,,,ect...).  The honor is to have someone that normally never has the privileged, do it.  As you remember he was originally going to reenlist a couple months ago (but the bonus level went down), he made dang sure his chief knew what our family values were, and that he wanted him (the Chief)  reenlist him.   So guess what? The Chief presented the award.   Which is the way he wanted it. 

Just like me, I never let a CO ever reenlist me. My last time I made my friend do it, and I chose where they did it.  The last time was on a 150 foot microwave tower.  The only rule for reenlistment is an officer has to be present, and sign it off, but anyone can do the swearing in.  I had the "Bull Ensign" do mine (sign off).    

Craig:  Thank you for your service.  Thank you for being so helpful and sharing your knowledge with us. Finally, please extend my congratulations and thank your son for his service.  Bravo Zulu.

The award is for outstanding performance in his job.

Depending on your type of performance, they usually go,

"Flag letter of Commendation" (Flag LOC)  which is a write up signed by a Flag officer (anyone above a Captain 0-6).  This counts +1 point on an advancement test.

Then you have a "Navy Acheivement Medal" (NAM) which is a personal award for outstanding service which is above a LOC, where you are awarded a Medal for Outstanding service.  This counts +2 points.

Then you have a "Navy Commendation Medal" (NCM) which is a personal award for outstanding service which is above a NAM.  These aren't handed out that much.  I received only one and got it when I had about 12 years in. These count +3 points.  

Then you have a Joint Service Commendation Medal (JSCM).  These are rarely handed out.  These mean you were at a joint command (Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard), and you did an outstanding job among all the services.  You can be at a joint command, but it doesn't mean you get a JSCM instead of a NCM.  They issue NCM's too, but a JSCM is just higher than the NCM because the NCM means your rated among just the Navy, while the JSCM your rated among all the services.  Does that make sense?

Here is the points you get for personal awards for your advancement test.

From: http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/instructions/BUPERS...

(clockard, you knew I had to post that link huh?  ~ha...I just can't help it!  I have to do it....)  

congratulations to the CTT's that graduated A school last Friday- August 12th!  My son among them!! VERY PROUD of all of them.

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