Ship 5 Moms(Formerly Ship 17)

Thank you Heidi and Sara for the kind and supportive words.  I need them.

...And thank you, sara. And Hank'sMom. And Rose R for administrating this site. I have found so much great info and a while lotta support.

And zaipai and  nicole......and all others who contribute over the course of time. Past and present. What an incredible support system.

My heart, each prayer,  my every tear has your name upon it.

Blessings.

Hank'sMOM, Heidimom....I'm so sorry you are both having such a hard time right now...I am saying prayers for your sons and all our kids there. One day we will all look back and see how this time helped shape our children into better people...but for now it's nice to have each other to lean on. To get through these dark times. Thanks to each of you for your support and sharing your stories. It helps me to know I'm not the only one feeling like I do ....

Gosh, I can't stop crying today.  At the request of my brother, I opened a Congratulations card that they sent for my son, in order to remove the gift card (and dispose of the card).  They said, "We all know you will make a fine Navy man."  What a shattering of dreams!  I am sending back all of the items I ordered for our trip to Chicago, including the USS Arizona Challenge Coin I ordered for my son.  What a hard reality!  When I talked to him last night, he said he had ordered me $400 of pictures in his dress uniform....I will never see them.  I guess I am just mourning what my son was to be.  Today is my daughter's 18th birthday, and I should be happy and celebrating with her......get this dark cloud off of me!!

Hanksmom

When was your son's PIR supposed to be? 

As we keep telling our children to be strong as do we.  Life will go on and one day we will see this happened for a reason.  I got my first letter from my daughter today.  She said she feels like a failure and everyday there is a constant reminder.  We will get them home safe and they will find their way.  Today, you HAVE to pull yourself together to celebrate your daughters birthday.  Tomorrow you can concentrate on this, there is nothing we can do right now.  CHIN UP ; ) 

I am in the process of painting my daughters room, its keeping my sanity and I am trying to make it bright and cheery for when she gets home.  I even went on line to find the most non-depressive paint color!!! LOL.

He was supposed to PIR yesterday, and we were to be spending the day with him at the airport today, before he shipped to A school.  I'm sure that has something to do with my mood.  That is so sweet for you to paint her room.....what is the most non-depressive color?  I need to go hang out with it!  Thanks for your words of encouragement......no one understands.

I am soooo sorry..........How long has he been there?  Was he there for Christmas?  My heart goes out to both of you.   Its just so sad.  I honestly cannot believe they would do that so close to graduation.  Its not fair. 

Last night on the news I was watching one of the mother's begging for her sons life...........I actually felt relieved my child is coming home. 

Believe it or not they so light blues and greens!! LOL.  They also said a soft white with a hint of yellow!!  I'm bathing in it right now!~!LOL - not purposely. I have more on me than the walls. 

Are you do anything special for your daughter?  I know you has said you would be at the airport today.  Was she going to come?  Maybe you should get the 2 of you out for awhile to get your mind of this. 

He left 2 days before Thanksgiving.....so he was gone for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years.  Yes, my daughter and I had a big Chicago trip planned - seeing the city and then ending up in Great Lakes with my son.  The first time my daughter was ever to be on a plane!

My daughter is a social butterfly, so needless to say, she is already off to lunch with friends, and then will be going out again tonight with friends.  I am just glad that her friends are pulling through for her.  She is the one who always goes out of her way for their birthdays.

I need to get out of here and do something.....

So, what color are the walls?

Wow.... He's been there since November.....  I'm so sorry.....If I lived closer I would take you ; ) 

My daughter is just the opposite.  Shes more of home body.  I hoping this changes when she comes home.  She needs to break out of her shell.  Im assuming that's where the panic attack came in.  She's never had one before.  Shes shy at first but once you get her talking she doesn't shut up.  She is the opposite of my other two, I couldn't keep them home!! .  My oldest is an RN and my middle daughter is a Vet technician.    

I went with the white with the hint of yellow!! I figured she wont want to see anything blue for quite some time!! 

I was expecting to hear from her today, but so far nothing... Im hoping she will have some idea of the way they will be sending her home.  I found a direct flight from Chicago to hear that day but its at 1:25. They told if I did book her a flight not to do it before 2......

Sorry about the typos..... take you to get you out ; ) 

Thanks for that.

Wow, you are right about the blue!!  She needs a fresh start. 

Hope you hear from her today....

Do they get phone calls on Sunday? I haven't heard from my son since he got there Tuesday, and I'm getting worried.

I don't think they get p[hone calls on Sunday but Im not sure about the males,  I don't think the females do.  I got a call yesterday while she was at recruit heaven.  Maybe tomorrow, I know they can call you from legal. 

I did get a call last Sunday from my son when he was at Recruit Heaven, and then he called Friday night and said that he had a 45 minute phone call.  I don't see any "rhyme or reason" to it.  You can call Legal and talk with them, and they can have him call you.

I will try my best to help from my experience and from what I have read.  There are not many of us on here, and most of us are in the same "boat" as you.  When my son got moved there, I called and talked to Legal about the process.  My son was moved there on Wednesday 1/14/15.  The first step is to have a meeting with Legal.....my son's didn't happen until the next Wednesday 1/21/15 (there was a holiday in there).  At that meeting there are give a reason for separation, a re-enlistment code (see above for details), and read their rights.  They have a right to meet with a JAG lawyer free of charge, and they can appeal.  From what I have ready the appeal can take a long time (weeks to months), and they can still be denied.  My son was to meet with the lawyer today 1/26/15, but I have a feeling it did not happen, as he didn't call me.  He seems to call me from Legal each time he is there.  So, he will have been there 2 weeks this Wednesday.  Everyone's story is different.  The most important thing is what re-enlistment code she gets....it might not allow re-enlistment or it might allow her to re-enlist with waivers after 6 months (but she did already have one...from MEPS?).  It seems that once they opt to go home (ie. they are not appealing), it takes at least a week before travel arrangements are made.

I'm so sorry to hear about your wife.....to go through BS21 and get the "I'm a sailor" call and now this!!  It is a very stressful and upsetting situation, while trying to figure out the system.  If I can answer any other questions, don't hesitate to ask.  There are a few of us on here that can be of support.

Hi NukeWife...I don't have much info but my son is as SEPS and arrived there on January 20th. He just got to go see legal today and they said his paperwork would most likely be back between wednesday and friday and a departure date would be around a week after those papers get back. I think it is a little different for everyone. As for phone calls, I know that most people have received phone calls but I did not except for when he arrived at SEPS and one today after I had called Legal to have him call me back. One individual in their unit had done something so the whole unit was denied NEX privelages from what I understand. So I think the phone call thing really varies. Good luck to you and your wife, I hope everything works out well for you

I agree with Nicole. There seems to not seem to be an ability to know any real specifics. 

Oops. Sent to early. As a husband, you are in a tough position. There is a lot of information on this site. There is also a Navy for Dad's site. The Navy itself has a site that gives a lot of info and numbers.

Best wishes to you and your wife.

NukeWife,  you are probably not in a "unique situation," however, I suspect that there is only limited info for you. In order for you to get any info, your wife must sign releases for you to every single person or entity. 

The number for Administrative for Ship 5 is:

847-688-7444. I believe the exiension is: 456. The one time I called, they were very understanding and helpful.

Praying for answers and peace for you and your family.

Oh, as for recruiter: nothing s/he can do now. Later, that depends on how trustworthy. Some SRs have used the same one, others have done due diligence and found one willing to go the extra mile.

I think every situation is so different.  NukeWife - did she have her Legal briefing, with a re-enlistment code provided?  She then has the right to meet with a JAG lawyer who will make recommendations about her case (whether to appeal, etc.).  My son met with the JAG lawyer yesterday, and is not appealing to go back to training, as he will not win.  He is appealing to have his re-enlistment code changed to give him a re-enlistment code with better chances of re-enlisting in the future.  He says it will take 3-4 weeks.

Did you get an answer, NukeWife?  She probably met with legal today.....how did it go?  I know that RE3 is good, RE4 is not.  My son got RE8 and is appealing to get an RE3, so he has a better chance of reenlisting.

NukeWife, 

Please go to Facebook and look me up: Heidi Linda River.

Private message me and I will give you some important information that might help you and yours.

If and only if you feel safe, of course.

Blessings and prayers prayed.

Hank'sMom and NukeWife,

If You have not already, you need to consider joining FB: SHIP5 SEPS. These folks are a wealth of info and community and support. ONLY one RE 03 is good. (.For all intents and purposes, RE 08 is the better. )The rest are bad.

* Did your loved one DEMAND an attorney? If they do, the Navy must immediately supply a civilian one....

This site is good, you need to look for info. Same with SHIP 5 SEPS. The FB  sure just seems to have a bit more support system built in.

Clarification: One thing you need to do is look above and go into the code chart. Look up exactly which RE code your loved one has received. 

Go to the BUPERS INSTRUCTION 1900.8C and that will give you more info as to whether the code is "good" or "bad."

OK, more clarification. someone just sent a question as to whether the Navy actually does supply the lawyer. I had incorrect info - actually, I totally misunderstood some info that I read. The navy does not pay for a civilian lawyer.

My son met with the JAG lawyer (a lawyer that represents the recruit rather than the Navy - they are knowledgeable of military law - I understand that some are military members and some can be civilians - this is free of charge) a week ago Monday, and called me last Tuesday.  He was given an RE8 (fraudulent enlistment), and is appealing to get an RE3 (erroneous enlistment).  That is what the lawyer advised.  I am assuming that is the best code to get. 

Thank you for the information Heidimom.....I am going to join that Facebook page if I can find it.

Yup, I believe that is exactly what is happening with my son. Prayers and best wishes for you and him. probably see you on SHIP5 SEPS on FB!

yoloJan - I've been wondering the same thing.  I think that I have asked to join several times throughout our ordeal, and nothing happens!  Anyone out there know......how about you, Heidimom??

Also....so sorry to hear about your son.  Ditto.....it is a heart wrenching experience!!  We're here to support you!!

Oh, sorry. It just takes a day or two to get approved. There really is no "process"

Oops. I deleted a post. The FB site is very active. I have found incredible support there. From tears to cheers!

Hmmmm. I just noticed that Hank'sMom is having an issue. If you are having an issue, try going right to Moira Glavin and message her. Jan, it looks like you made it?

Hank'sMom, Moira Glavin said to send her a private message in her personal FB page.  She is the administrator for the FB SHIP 5 SEPS.

Lorena, my son was sent to ship five for anxiety as well. He was discharged with an RE3. As I understand, once they are sent there, there is not a lot to be done unless it is something they choose to fight to stay in, which could be a long process. The strain of being away from home and in the structure of the military can be quite a shock for some of them, even if it is something they really wanted, reality of the situation can be a lot to handle. Hoping the best for you and your daughter

Lorena,

The same exact thing happened to my daughter.  She finally got home January 28th.  It was one of the most difficult things I/we have ever gone through.  She is home now and things are well.  My prayers are with you. It was very difficult but know it all does work out in the end and she will be fine. 

My bf did not pass the running test in time for graduation. He will have battlestations soon. He told me he is going to be put on hold after that until they arrange his flight and whatever else for him to go to A school. He told me i can visit him, but i am not sure how to go about with this. Anyone else knows of any information that could apply to my case. Not sure where to go or who to speak. I want to see him : (

mnmbook:  So he has now passed his final PFA (fitness test)?  I assume so since you said he is going to do BattleStations now.  Normally they have a brief Liberty after PIR before heading to A School, from what I have heard, but he won't be able to tell you how long of Liberty he has probably until he calls after BattleStations.  The info will have to come from him.  Hoping that he has enough time for you to visit him before he heads to A School.....but if not, hope you can visit him at A School!

*Correction to my post below:

Normally they have a brief Liberty after BATTLESTATIONS before heading to A School.  They will not have a PIR once they miss their own.

Hello,

I'm thrilled I stumbled upon this group.  Our son graduated boot camp April 3, 2015.  Throughout BC they were minoring his iron and hematocrit levels. They got his iron up, but his hematocrit remained at 39.8.  For Nukes they want it at 40. He was cleared for A school at BC with a doctors note.  However, they did not let him ship out.  They are waiting on a medical waiver.  Has anyone else experienced this situation? Does anyone now how long it takes to get the medical waiver? Any and all information regarding this process is greatly appreciated. Thanks so much!