CTN

I thought they did away with c school and just did A school for CTN. I will have to let my son know its not 6 months but 24 LOL! Maybe I'll wait till after BC!

This Sat and Sun, CNN is going to have a special on about what could happen if there was a Cyber attack in the US. I thought some of you and maybe your CTNs might find it interesting. When I told my son, he just said something like.... there a little late on that idea.??? I really wish he spoke English once in a while. But the show should be interesting.

Apparently the show is about a successful cyber attack on the US cell phone network and how is spreads from there.

Stephen King gives me nightmares, yea even the books.

If you want to know exactly how important the work our sailors are doing, then check out the CNN special Cyber Shock Wave. Its on now and will be repeated tomorrow at 8pm. There is a lot of mention of the Cyber Command which in the Navy is also know as the 10th Fleet.

Hi all... Just wanted to say Hi...
CTN is the best job in the Navy. 100% advancement to E5 is awesome... No shipboard duty (for the most part) is even better.

If anyone on this group (in the CTN section) needs Navy questions answered, just ask. I still am a CT, and still work with (not for) the Navy. My son is a CTN, and my nephew is currently awaiting a DAR request to crossrate from CTT to CTN. Hopefully it will go through. CTT is great, however, CTN is awesome....

My son is a CTN2 and said he is glad that the school is much longer than the one he went through. He said that guys were not prepared enough when they got to his command. As a result, they had to spend time training them, time they just didn't have. I think the reason that the failure rate is so high has more to do with the size of the classes. My son's class was only 5 guys so if one failed then the failure rate was 20%. Making the classes larger and longer lowers the percentage. Those who my son knew that left the CTN program all went to IT.

I was thinking that the school was 6 months long? Is it longer?

How soon into school do they find out about their first station?

They find out about a week before they graduate. After their last test.

I totally agree with clockard.... The school is actually 7 months, and they did combine the "A" and "C" schools. This will really screw up the SRB payments once these kids reach their 4 year point because right now they get a multiple of 3 for NEC 9306 & 9307, but they get a multiple of 5 for 9308. Who's to say which NEC they qualify for once these kid make it to their 4 year point... http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/CF8C5256-9674-48AE-A634-83BECF...

Per being dropped. There is a big difference between being dropped for cause, and being dropped because you cannot understand the material. If you are out chasing women and partying, then you will be dropped and sent undesignate to the fleet. After about 2 years of cleaning toilets and buffing floors you will be allow to strike for a rating. However, if you really tried, and you went to all of the mandatory classes, and you still don't understand it, then they will allow you to go to another "A" school... See MILPERSMAN 1236-020 for details...

http://www.npc.navy.mil/ReferenceLibrary/MILPERSMAN/1000MilitaryPer...

btw... The hot billets they need for these kids to fill now are the Special Operations. They are really in short supply now....

Oops.... Sorry about that... I forgot most of you guys are new to the Navy and I need to talk in plane english when I'm over here at N4M.... Billets are positions that your kids can request for. If they need 4 CTN's in Texas, then that means they need 4 billets.... NEC is Navy Enlisted Codes which is a 4 digit number that tells what you kid is qualified to do.. Sorry, I will keep it in plain English from now on....

Sorry for spamming, but how do you edit comments here? I see the "X", but I don't want to kill the post, just edit them.... Thanks....

I know I am stupid but what are hot billets LOL?

momoffour, hot billets means the Navy wants people to fill these jobs quickly... The harder the job, the harder the position is to fill. There is a big difference from a position in Hawaii, compared to working with the SEAL team out of San Diego.... Working with the seal team means you need to work as a team, and do the physical training with the rest of the team...

clockard, (sorry I don't know what to call everyone yet)... I was looking through the old post and notice you asked where CTN get stationed (your post on Jan 8th). If you still need the list just let me know.
Yea, I need to remember my audience.
btw: Can you ask your son if his command has the new qualification book for the Information Dominance Corps Warfare pin (aka Nerd Warfare) which was just approve last week. I'm trying to get a copy for my son. His command hasn't receive the qual book yet.
http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/1739D4C6-2728-46D2-889C-5431A1...

For the NEC, they are listing in NAVPERS 18068F. Just click on this link, and do a search for 9306 or 9307 or 9308 and you will find out exactly what you son does. He will be either a 9306 or 9307 now. http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/89E4DCCF-5161-4DC7-9FF1-075F53...

When I say Special Ops, I mean for CTN's. They work with the SEAL teams, but remember, they must also do them physical training as the SEAL teams.

I will send it to you tonight. I need to find it, and figure out how to get it to you. Even though it is public knowledge, I don't want to put it on the boards...

The books should be out. I just need to figure out which command has them.

Lastly, I was a bit leary of joining here. I know this is a mom's site and I didn't want to ruin the group if you guys didn't want a guy here. I would say I'm a expert with the Navy, expecially the CTN field. Just wanted to help you guys and get this section the correct answers. CTN's are such a small group, that our sons or daughters will run into each other in the future. Just wanted to offer the knowledge....

Craig, You are of course welcome here. There are guys in other groups and they are a great help when we need info. I don't know what we would do without Mark in our sub and nuke groups. So stay around.
My youngest son is a sub nuke and has his "Fish". Its good to know that my oldest will also have a pin. Its bad enough that the nuke refers to his brother as "the dry land sailor".

Per the comment of CT's combining, that is really old news. I haven't heard of anything resently. What happen a few years back is the CTO's and the IT combined, and now they are all IT's..... Then the EW's and the CTT's combined, and now they are all CTT's. Then the CTM were suppose to go away completely, but at the last minute they allow that rating to remain, but the problem was is all the senior people had already crossrated to CTN's. So now their is a shortage of CTM's..... Then the CTA's combined with the YN's, so now they are all YN's.... So I beleive what you're hearing is way old news....

For those that think their sailor might be interested in being part of the SEAL team as a CTN, read this message.... Understand the Physical training will be rough, but the various benefits are cool. You'll freak out when you see your kid next, they are allowed to grow their hair long (really long), grow beards, and just fit in as a civilian. Hope this link works....
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&a...

Beleive it or not I don't always quote instructions (just years of helping people), but I do what you guys to be aware about advancements.,
Just to clarify, CTN come in the Navy under the Advance Technical Field (ATF). What you get is automatic E2 out of bootcamp. Some sailors will actually get E3 out of bootcamp if they have certain things (college, ROTC, Sea Cadets...ect). No matter what, you must still meet the Time-in-Rate (TIR) requirements to be advance. So normal CTN will be E2 from bootcamp, then must wait 9 months to be an E3, then must wait 6 months to be E4. However, if you were promoted to E3 after bootcamp, then you can be a E4 in 6 months.
The bottomline is everyone must wait until they meet the TIR for the next paygrade.
See the below, look at para 10C, where it says "including TIR,"
http://www.npc.navy.mil/ReferenceLibrary/MILPERSMAN/1000MilitaryPer...
also
Here is a link to the advancement manual which will show you the time you must wait to be advanced. Look at page 26, para 202 for the the offical rule.
http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/648D1DBD-58F2-4A73-9E07-8A22B3...
Lastly, I know it must drive you ladies crazy with all these rules. I don't want to overwhelm you, but I also don't want you guys to not know what truly happens. Again, just years of helping deppers and family members...

Craig, I must admit to not understanding a lot of what you said. But here is my son's experience. He graduated from college with a degree in computer science with a minor in AI. He graduated from BC as an E-4, like his brother the Nuke. They both were Petty Officer 3 when they left for their schools. My son ( the CTN made PO2 ( E-5) after 9 months. It was all written down in his enlistment contract before he left for BC.

Just checking if you have a typo on what you wrote... You said "He graduated from BC as an E-4", there is only one way that I know of that you can do this, it's called the Direct Procurement Enlistment Program (DPEP). You can actually come out as a E6 (once you complete your "A" school). Not to say it can't happen, but this will be the 1st time I've ever heard of this. I don't see how you can get a rating badge (emblem showing your job) leaving bootcamp when you have no idea what the rating is all about. Again, not to say it couldn't happen, I've just never heard of it.
Just guessing here, per the 9 month time. I think what you will find is he as a 15 months E5 (I'm counting bootcamp time). He might have worn the E5 crow, but he truly wasn't a E5 (only a frocked E5). Until your paid for E5, then you truly aren't one.
Truly I would love to hear if what your saying is correct. I work with alot of deppers, and would love to help these kids out. (yea, I keep saying kids, and I should be saying Sailors, which is what they are),

Both my sons were Petty Officer 3rd when they graduated from BC. Nukes always come out as Petty Officers thanks to Adm Rickover all those years ago. I remember my oldest had to get his uniforms striped before graduation. He said it was strange to have sailors say "yes Petty Officer", etc. When they had been out of BC longer than he had. You are right about his being a frocked E-5 for several months before his pay and housing allowance came through. But I do know he went to Pensacola as a Petty Officer. Drove his brother crazy because he beat him to Petty Officer 2 by 6 months. Nukes hate the idea that CTs advance faster then they do.

I must admit, you got me on what you're saying. This is why I love these forum boards, you always learn something new.
What flavor is the Nuke (ET, EM, or MM)? I'm just wondering if they are doing this for certain nuke ratings (ET, EM or MM). I own a active duty website and none of our nuke's that arrive to Goose Creek are E4's. They all get it while in "A" school. But then again, I'm not sure if they have college degree's.

Susan, that is exactly what I'm saying. If you graduate as a E3, then you only have to wait 6 month to meet the TIR requirement for E4. To make E5 you must have 1 year. So you can actually make E5 as a CTN as little as 15 months (1 year, 3 months), which as Ilovemytwosailor said "It ticks off the Nukes", because it's one of the quickest ratings to make advancement.

I know someone will ask, 1 year and 6 months = 18 months, but they backdate all advancements to 16 June or Dec 16 (depends on the time of the year) for a frocking date....

My Nuke ( the sailor in the picture, taken at BC graduation) is an ET. He was given the E-4 because he helped the recuiter. When my son decided to follow the family tradition and go into the Navy, he took all his friends from high school with him. That's right 4 others went in with him. One into the Nuke program, two with SEAL contracts, one undesignated. There is some kind of Navy enlistment program that gave him credit for that. Also, there was an offer on the table to send him to the USNA (his dad's alma) but he turned it down.
My understanding from my CTN is that he met the recuiter when they came to take his brother to the airport. There were several months of conversations concerning a masters degree and what the Navy could offer him. In the end, he gave up an officer's commission in return for I know not what. But if what you are saying is true then that might explain the E-4. He still wants his Master Degree but needs to be an E-6 first. He will pursue that after he re-ups later this year.

I do have a question for you. My son has been offered a billet in Hawaii. Unfortunately, he just bought a townhouse in VA Beach because he had been told he would be there for 2 more years. He's trying to get out of going to Hawaii. (Yes, I know they will probably order him to see a shrink). My question is, how hard is it to get a detailer to change a billet and will this cause a problem with his career path?

He should be very easy for him to get the same duty station. Understand, that there are many Unit Identification Codes (UIC) for the different jobs CTN's do. So you can actually go into a totally different billet (job position) and it would still be considered a transfer. The only time you can't double tour is suppose you were in Hawaii, you could not stay in Hawaii for another tour because it's considered a OCONUS location. There are waivers, but they don't like approving them.

There is a list that shows the "Sea/Shore" rotation for all ratings. Since CTN's really don't go to see, it will show the "Conus/Oconus" rotation. I need to find that list, and once I do, I will forwared it to you. Remember, it's only a recommended list, and is not a requirement they do it like that.

If they pick a DIRSUP billet they will go so sea.

You can double tour in Hawaii. We've got lots of friends who have done it because they like the area so much.

clockard, here is the sea/shore rotation list. Look at NAVADMIN 234/08 which is the current one. http://www.npc.navy.mil/ReferenceLibrary/Messages/
(Just pull down to 2008 and it will be in number order)

I think it is 3 years unless you get an EP on the evals then you get a 12 month waiver.

Most people get this part messed up so to clarify juni response, you must get a EP on the most recent evaluation period. Per the instruction for TIR waivers (EP) "COs/OICs maywaive up to 1 year of the required TIR for Sailors in paygrades E5 and E6 who received a promotion recommendation of ”Early
Promote” on their most recent observed periodic evaluation in their current paygrade." and "A Sailor recommended as ”Early Promote” on the most recent observed periodic evaluation who later receives a special, transfer, or detachment of reporting senior evaluation before the next advancement examination with a promotion recommendation other than Early Promote is no longer eligible for this waiver."
So in other words, if you are a hot runner and earn a EP eval, then, start to slack off later as a E5, then you are not eligible for the EP waiver for E6. Likewise, if your command is rushed to hurry up and write you transfer eval, and mistakenly marks you as a MP, then you lose your eligibliity.... Most sailors would never even look at that.... The keyword is "Most recent eval"

Well my son arrives at Corry station tonight at 5pm. When should I expect a phone call and when will he be allowed to receive laptop and phone?

I cannot wait for him to have his laptop and phone! How do they assign roommates? Will he be with guys who just arrived or some that have been there a while?

momoffour, here are some pictures of what the barracks look like at Corry. It's funny because my son told me how crappy and old they were, then I argued with him and said they were really nice. I forgot that when I was in them 30 years ago they were nice, 30 year later the do look like crap..-ha

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Thanks for pictures! He is enjoying Corry. He likes his roommates and waiting to class up soon. He mentioned that his roommates study a lot (they are IT?) which is great but how does that work in CTN. Do they have study times that they are allowed back to class?

Thanks for the infor, I feel so much better knowing that they have plenty of time to study. I am going to be nervous until graduation just knowing how high the failure rate is for CTNs. He did go work out and really enjoyed the facilities.

It wasn't ever 24 months long!

There was a month for A school and then 10 weeks for BDNA. Now it is all combined

Are you sure he didn't mean 24 weeks. My son's CTN school was much shorter and they lost a lot of guys who couldn't keep up with the pace.

Terrilynn, That is the perfect attitude for a Navy Mom, esp. a CTN Mom.

When do they know that their clearance is completed? He is waiting still to class up and is just cleaning toilets LOL right now. We did hear from some of his references that men in suits LOL came to visit and ask questions so I am hoping it is about completed. I would thin they cannot start school without it.

They cannot start school until their clearances come through. My son actually missed the first school he was scheduled for and had to wait for the next one because his security clearance did not come in time. The older a sailor is when he joined the Navy the longer it takes to get their clearance.

The moving thing is what I was afraid of, my husband job has moved us alot so my 19 year old sailor has lived in five places. four of those being less than 2 or 3 years. We struggled even remembering people, addresses ect.

My son was 26 when he joined the Navy. He had lived in New York for years and went to college there. So there was a lot of history for the Navy to go through. I also got a lot of extra calls from basic.

Moma,
Your son is in another chapter of his life now. He will make so many new friends in the Navy that he will never end up thinking about his H.S. friends. Yea, it's fun for these kids to come back into town in uniform to show their H.S. friend what he made of himself. But that it.

My own story is I left town to join the Navy because all of my H.S. friends were starting to get into drugs. I knew I didn't want that to be part of my life. Now, I hear stories of these "friends" and they have nothing to show for their life. In turn, I have seen over 75 countries, and have friends everywhere.

My only recommendation to you is to embrace his new life, and become a part of it. When the holiday season comes around you tell your son to invite a couple of his new friends (preferably those that don't have a home to go to) to your house for Thanksgiving or Christmas. That way not only do you have him for the holidays, he's got friends that he can hang with while home. Bottom-line, don't get caught up with his H.S. friends, because in a couple months, he won't.