CTN

For the NEC, they are listing in NAVPERS 18068F. Just click on this link, and do a search for 9306 or 9307 or 9308 and you will find out exactly what you son does. He will be either a 9306 or 9307 now. http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/89E4DCCF-5161-4DC7-9FF1-075F53...

When I say Special Ops, I mean for CTN's. They work with the SEAL teams, but remember, they must also do them physical training as the SEAL teams.

I will send it to you tonight. I need to find it, and figure out how to get it to you. Even though it is public knowledge, I don't want to put it on the boards...

The books should be out. I just need to figure out which command has them.

Lastly, I was a bit leary of joining here. I know this is a mom's site and I didn't want to ruin the group if you guys didn't want a guy here. I would say I'm a expert with the Navy, expecially the CTN field. Just wanted to help you guys and get this section the correct answers. CTN's are such a small group, that our sons or daughters will run into each other in the future. Just wanted to offer the knowledge....

Craig, You are of course welcome here. There are guys in other groups and they are a great help when we need info. I don't know what we would do without Mark in our sub and nuke groups. So stay around.
My youngest son is a sub nuke and has his "Fish". Its good to know that my oldest will also have a pin. Its bad enough that the nuke refers to his brother as "the dry land sailor".

Per the comment of CT's combining, that is really old news. I haven't heard of anything resently. What happen a few years back is the CTO's and the IT combined, and now they are all IT's..... Then the EW's and the CTT's combined, and now they are all CTT's. Then the CTM were suppose to go away completely, but at the last minute they allow that rating to remain, but the problem was is all the senior people had already crossrated to CTN's. So now their is a shortage of CTM's..... Then the CTA's combined with the YN's, so now they are all YN's.... So I beleive what you're hearing is way old news....

For those that think their sailor might be interested in being part of the SEAL team as a CTN, read this message.... Understand the Physical training will be rough, but the various benefits are cool. You'll freak out when you see your kid next, they are allowed to grow their hair long (really long), grow beards, and just fit in as a civilian. Hope this link works....
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&a...

Beleive it or not I don't always quote instructions (just years of helping people), but I do what you guys to be aware about advancements.,
Just to clarify, CTN come in the Navy under the Advance Technical Field (ATF). What you get is automatic E2 out of bootcamp. Some sailors will actually get E3 out of bootcamp if they have certain things (college, ROTC, Sea Cadets...ect). No matter what, you must still meet the Time-in-Rate (TIR) requirements to be advance. So normal CTN will be E2 from bootcamp, then must wait 9 months to be an E3, then must wait 6 months to be E4. However, if you were promoted to E3 after bootcamp, then you can be a E4 in 6 months.
The bottomline is everyone must wait until they meet the TIR for the next paygrade.
See the below, look at para 10C, where it says "including TIR,"
http://www.npc.navy.mil/ReferenceLibrary/MILPERSMAN/1000MilitaryPer...
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Here is a link to the advancement manual which will show you the time you must wait to be advanced. Look at page 26, para 202 for the the offical rule.
http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/648D1DBD-58F2-4A73-9E07-8A22B3...
Lastly, I know it must drive you ladies crazy with all these rules. I don't want to overwhelm you, but I also don't want you guys to not know what truly happens. Again, just years of helping deppers and family members...

Craig, I must admit to not understanding a lot of what you said. But here is my son's experience. He graduated from college with a degree in computer science with a minor in AI. He graduated from BC as an E-4, like his brother the Nuke. They both were Petty Officer 3 when they left for their schools. My son ( the CTN made PO2 ( E-5) after 9 months. It was all written down in his enlistment contract before he left for BC.

Just checking if you have a typo on what you wrote... You said "He graduated from BC as an E-4", there is only one way that I know of that you can do this, it's called the Direct Procurement Enlistment Program (DPEP). You can actually come out as a E6 (once you complete your "A" school). Not to say it can't happen, but this will be the 1st time I've ever heard of this. I don't see how you can get a rating badge (emblem showing your job) leaving bootcamp when you have no idea what the rating is all about. Again, not to say it couldn't happen, I've just never heard of it.
Just guessing here, per the 9 month time. I think what you will find is he as a 15 months E5 (I'm counting bootcamp time). He might have worn the E5 crow, but he truly wasn't a E5 (only a frocked E5). Until your paid for E5, then you truly aren't one.
Truly I would love to hear if what your saying is correct. I work with alot of deppers, and would love to help these kids out. (yea, I keep saying kids, and I should be saying Sailors, which is what they are),

Both my sons were Petty Officer 3rd when they graduated from BC. Nukes always come out as Petty Officers thanks to Adm Rickover all those years ago. I remember my oldest had to get his uniforms striped before graduation. He said it was strange to have sailors say "yes Petty Officer", etc. When they had been out of BC longer than he had. You are right about his being a frocked E-5 for several months before his pay and housing allowance came through. But I do know he went to Pensacola as a Petty Officer. Drove his brother crazy because he beat him to Petty Officer 2 by 6 months. Nukes hate the idea that CTs advance faster then they do.

I must admit, you got me on what you're saying. This is why I love these forum boards, you always learn something new.
What flavor is the Nuke (ET, EM, or MM)? I'm just wondering if they are doing this for certain nuke ratings (ET, EM or MM). I own a active duty website and none of our nuke's that arrive to Goose Creek are E4's. They all get it while in "A" school. But then again, I'm not sure if they have college degree's.

Susan, that is exactly what I'm saying. If you graduate as a E3, then you only have to wait 6 month to meet the TIR requirement for E4. To make E5 you must have 1 year. So you can actually make E5 as a CTN as little as 15 months (1 year, 3 months), which as Ilovemytwosailor said "It ticks off the Nukes", because it's one of the quickest ratings to make advancement.

I know someone will ask, 1 year and 6 months = 18 months, but they backdate all advancements to 16 June or Dec 16 (depends on the time of the year) for a frocking date....

My Nuke ( the sailor in the picture, taken at BC graduation) is an ET. He was given the E-4 because he helped the recuiter. When my son decided to follow the family tradition and go into the Navy, he took all his friends from high school with him. That's right 4 others went in with him. One into the Nuke program, two with SEAL contracts, one undesignated. There is some kind of Navy enlistment program that gave him credit for that. Also, there was an offer on the table to send him to the USNA (his dad's alma) but he turned it down.
My understanding from my CTN is that he met the recuiter when they came to take his brother to the airport. There were several months of conversations concerning a masters degree and what the Navy could offer him. In the end, he gave up an officer's commission in return for I know not what. But if what you are saying is true then that might explain the E-4. He still wants his Master Degree but needs to be an E-6 first. He will pursue that after he re-ups later this year.

I do have a question for you. My son has been offered a billet in Hawaii. Unfortunately, he just bought a townhouse in VA Beach because he had been told he would be there for 2 more years. He's trying to get out of going to Hawaii. (Yes, I know they will probably order him to see a shrink). My question is, how hard is it to get a detailer to change a billet and will this cause a problem with his career path?

He should be very easy for him to get the same duty station. Understand, that there are many Unit Identification Codes (UIC) for the different jobs CTN's do. So you can actually go into a totally different billet (job position) and it would still be considered a transfer. The only time you can't double tour is suppose you were in Hawaii, you could not stay in Hawaii for another tour because it's considered a OCONUS location. There are waivers, but they don't like approving them.

There is a list that shows the "Sea/Shore" rotation for all ratings. Since CTN's really don't go to see, it will show the "Conus/Oconus" rotation. I need to find that list, and once I do, I will forwared it to you. Remember, it's only a recommended list, and is not a requirement they do it like that.

If they pick a DIRSUP billet they will go so sea.

You can double tour in Hawaii. We've got lots of friends who have done it because they like the area so much.

clockard, here is the sea/shore rotation list. Look at NAVADMIN 234/08 which is the current one. http://www.npc.navy.mil/ReferenceLibrary/Messages/
(Just pull down to 2008 and it will be in number order)

I think it is 3 years unless you get an EP on the evals then you get a 12 month waiver.

Most people get this part messed up so to clarify juni response, you must get a EP on the most recent evaluation period. Per the instruction for TIR waivers (EP) "COs/OICs maywaive up to 1 year of the required TIR for Sailors in paygrades E5 and E6 who received a promotion recommendation of ”Early
Promote” on their most recent observed periodic evaluation in their current paygrade." and "A Sailor recommended as ”Early Promote” on the most recent observed periodic evaluation who later receives a special, transfer, or detachment of reporting senior evaluation before the next advancement examination with a promotion recommendation other than Early Promote is no longer eligible for this waiver."
So in other words, if you are a hot runner and earn a EP eval, then, start to slack off later as a E5, then you are not eligible for the EP waiver for E6. Likewise, if your command is rushed to hurry up and write you transfer eval, and mistakenly marks you as a MP, then you lose your eligibliity.... Most sailors would never even look at that.... The keyword is "Most recent eval"

Well my son arrives at Corry station tonight at 5pm. When should I expect a phone call and when will he be allowed to receive laptop and phone?

I cannot wait for him to have his laptop and phone! How do they assign roommates? Will he be with guys who just arrived or some that have been there a while?

momoffour, here are some pictures of what the barracks look like at Corry. It's funny because my son told me how crappy and old they were, then I argued with him and said they were really nice. I forgot that when I was in them 30 years ago they were nice, 30 year later the do look like crap..-ha

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Thanks for pictures! He is enjoying Corry. He likes his roommates and waiting to class up soon. He mentioned that his roommates study a lot (they are IT?) which is great but how does that work in CTN. Do they have study times that they are allowed back to class?

Thanks for the infor, I feel so much better knowing that they have plenty of time to study. I am going to be nervous until graduation just knowing how high the failure rate is for CTNs. He did go work out and really enjoyed the facilities.

It wasn't ever 24 months long!

There was a month for A school and then 10 weeks for BDNA. Now it is all combined

Are you sure he didn't mean 24 weeks. My son's CTN school was much shorter and they lost a lot of guys who couldn't keep up with the pace.

Terrilynn, That is the perfect attitude for a Navy Mom, esp. a CTN Mom.

When do they know that their clearance is completed? He is waiting still to class up and is just cleaning toilets LOL right now. We did hear from some of his references that men in suits LOL came to visit and ask questions so I am hoping it is about completed. I would thin they cannot start school without it.

They cannot start school until their clearances come through. My son actually missed the first school he was scheduled for and had to wait for the next one because his security clearance did not come in time. The older a sailor is when he joined the Navy the longer it takes to get their clearance.

The moving thing is what I was afraid of, my husband job has moved us alot so my 19 year old sailor has lived in five places. four of those being less than 2 or 3 years. We struggled even remembering people, addresses ect.

My son was 26 when he joined the Navy. He had lived in New York for years and went to college there. So there was a lot of history for the Navy to go through. I also got a lot of extra calls from basic.

Moma,
Your son is in another chapter of his life now. He will make so many new friends in the Navy that he will never end up thinking about his H.S. friends. Yea, it's fun for these kids to come back into town in uniform to show their H.S. friend what he made of himself. But that it.

My own story is I left town to join the Navy because all of my H.S. friends were starting to get into drugs. I knew I didn't want that to be part of my life. Now, I hear stories of these "friends" and they have nothing to show for their life. In turn, I have seen over 75 countries, and have friends everywhere.

My only recommendation to you is to embrace his new life, and become a part of it. When the holiday season comes around you tell your son to invite a couple of his new friends (preferably those that don't have a home to go to) to your house for Thanksgiving or Christmas. That way not only do you have him for the holidays, he's got friends that he can hang with while home. Bottom-line, don't get caught up with his H.S. friends, because in a couple months, he won't.

Moma, It doesn't only happen in small towns. When my son graduated from H.S. he went to NYC to go to college. He decided to live with my Mom to save money on the rent. While there he went to work full time and went to school full time. He soon realized that my mother shouldn't be living alone, but she wouldn't give up her house. So he took care of her so she could stay in her home of 60 years. He had no time for the college social scene and so made no friends. His high school friends also drifted into a bad place and he didn't want to stay in contact with them. The only sad thing was that the Navy investigators had a difficult time believing that a young man his age would give up so much to take care of an elderly grandparent.

They told me that they try not to contact parents for the security clearance and only do it if they can't get the information any other way. My son was told that his only OCONUS (out of continental US) time will be his billet in Hawaii. Tough duty but some one has to do it. I have also heard that they are looking for CTNs to serve with SEAL units. I just can't imagine my son the Geek doing that kind of duty.

About OCONUS duty...please keep in mind that this is a fairly new rate and things change. I know then when we were looking at orders there were some for places in Asia. There has been talk of other places opening up.

Are they ever sent overseas for the first duty station. I am wondering if we should take his car to him if he has a chance of being sent overseas after his school.

Mary, understand the Navy has a policy MPM 1300-1100 that says "Every
reasonable effort will be made for same immediate family members
to serve together whenever possible." So it really depends what the sons rating is.
Just want to make sure that you parents are not caught off guard about the duty stations. Alot of Sailors desire to go temporary active duty (TAD) and will volunteer for IA duty. So you may think they will be in Hawaii or Virginia, but in fact they are in Iraq or Afganistan. At my base we have over 100 TAD now. But it's what these Sailors requested.

My son had a similar problem with the fact that he doesn't drink alcohol. It seems that the paperwork said that he "abstains from alcohol". Which they apparently interpreted as his having a problem with alcohol or a religious issue with alcohol. I spent nearly a hour patiently explaining that he just hates the taste. It took me that long to get through to the woman. She was from the FIS not the FBI.
She also had an issue with his lack of a girlfriend at the age of 26. It was a strange conversation that obviously danced around "don't ask, don't tell." Everyone of his family and friends told them that he was working full time, going to college full time and taking care of my mom's house almost full time. He had no time or money to date.

I am wondering how many they need to start a class. I ask my son everyday if he has heard about class starting and he says not yet. He doesn't seem too worried, just cleaning, escorting people into the compound and enjoying free time. He is living with three guys who are IT and they are always studying so he is glad they are not slackers.

Last I knew, they were starting a new class just about every other week. We just PCS'd from there about 2 weeks ago but it probably hasn't changed that much.

Heard form my son today that a new CTN class starts Monday. He said there is at least 20 or more in the class. Now I will be a nervous wreck for the next 6 months!

Terrilynn, My son has been a CTN for 2 years now and he still says its the hardest thing he's ever done. But he loves it!

Brice had I guess the introduction thing today. Class starts at 7 am tomorrow. I hope is is prepared for all the hard work ahead. I am nervous as can be!

Wow, and I thought it was only my son that was cranky. CTNs are great people but the stress does get to them after a while. That's when I know its time to send brownies or his favorite sugar cookies.

Patti, I don't think he's being all that dramatic.That is exactly how my son described what he does all day, except that sometimes he does it for 9 hours overnight. LOL

With all CT ratings you can't bring a cell phone into the building. If they do, it's considered a security infraction and usually with the 1st time you will get yelled at and have EMI assigned. The second time you'll be going to Capt' Mast. We have a whole list of items we can't bring in the building. Cell phones are the ones that are at the top of the list for CT's getting in trouble.

Sounds more like a won't than a can't.

I've seen people assigned EMI for bringing in cell phones. They must arrive 2 hours early for work for 1 week. There job is to ask everyone if they checked to see if they were carrying in cell phones. Also, they must carry a 6 inch block of 2x4 that has cell phone written on it. For one week, anytime they are in the building they must have this block of wood with them. Does the sailor learn from this training? Yep, they will never do it again. Here is the offical rule of EMI....

Extra military instruction (EMI) is a type of military duty used to correct a deficiency of an individual. EMI is a nonpunitive measure approved by the Manual for Courts-Martial and outlined in the Manual of the Judge Advocate General. EMI is a training device intended to improve efficiency of a command or unit. EMI is intended as a corrective measure. Therefore, you must give EMI with the intention of correcting a deficiency in performance of military duty, not with the intention of substituting it for punitive action under the UCMJ. EMI must have a logical relationship to the deficiency you are correcting. The duration of EMI is only for the period required to correct the performance deficiency. Normally, EMI assignments are for no more than 2 hours per day. EMI is done at a reasonable time outside normal working hours. Its purpose is not to deprive a member of normal liberty. EMI is not to be done on a person’s Sabbath. A member who has entitlement to liberty may begin normal liberty upon completion of EMI. The authority to assign EMI rests with the commanding officer, but delegation of the authority to assign EMI may be part of a normal supervisory task. Permission for delegation of authority ordinarily is not given below the chief petty officer (CPO) level. However, in exceptional cases when qualified petty officers are filling CPO billets in an organizational unit (division, major work center, or comparable organization) that contains no CPO, the authority may be delegated to a senior petty officer.

I know you asked Craig, but I've asked my son some of these same questions. His answer was that in his job, he can't afford mistakes. They need to get it right and get it right the first time. Men's lives depend on him. Its not just the computer he sits in front of for hours. It isn't that the instructors don't care, its that they know how important the job is and that they don't get a re-do in the real job. SEALs don't get a second chance to pass and neither do the CTNs that could be working for them.

The way they did the classes before was no piece of cake either!