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Joy - I can give you sooo much info on NIOC Denver.  The base was a National Guard base up till 2004, then the Air Force made it a Air Force Base.  The barracks are brand new, and he will probably stay in those since he's just a temporary guy and unaccompied.  The building he works is called the Aerospace Data Facility (ADF), and the barracks are really close.  

He will probably be authorized a rental car, which he will need since there is no chow hall on the base because the enlisted people voted to close it down.  He can always go to NEX for food (Burger King, Robin Hood, Antony's Pizza) and the Gym, NEX, Commisary are right next to the barracks.

Frankly, I'm surprised hearing they have "C" school here.  That is news to me, because I'm really up on that stuff.

I will post something that just became unclassified recently (because of the 25 year rule) concerning the SR-71 program.  It's kind of cool when you have time to read it....This guy works for us and his stories are truly amazing.

Unclassified version of the SR-71.pdf

Thanks for the info, everyone!  Our son has his written orders.  He is really excited to be Colorado for a couple of months in the winter. He loves to snowboard!!!  So from Hawaii to Denver area.... another great place for us to visit!!!

Only two more days until our sons are home!  Making a big sign so I can embarrass my husband at the airport but more importantly to let those kids know I am so proud of them.  :) 

I have been reading up on Japan duty at Yokosuka.  I think they are going to have a great adventure. 

Bless all of you today.

Joy, congrats on your son's graduation.  

idahojeep, I love the sign idea and I would be bursting with excitement right now.

I'm trying to decide whether I should book a flight to my son's A school graduation yet.  He is supposed to graduate on Sept. 23.  Is it too soon?  He is a CTT and so far, he is doing really well, but I know how quickly things can change.  We will probably be flying SW (we have free award tickets) into Panama City, rent a car and then drive to Pensacola.  Any thoughts?  Should we wait a bit, or go for it, cause with SW you can change your flights without charges?    

Joy - PM me his name.  My son leaves Hawaii in 8 days and will be here in Denver for 30 days leave....

idahojeep - I have a mom/spouse over on my NavyDEP.com website who has been in Yokosuka for a while (I think 2 years).  Her name is Sarah (asailorswife)  and is on the site almost every day.  

She can answer any question you have about Yokosuka.  She's an awesome gal and knows the system. I've known her since her husband left for boot camp 5 years ago.  She actually just posted the thunderstorm strike that hit Yokosuka 2 days ago...

http://www.navydep.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1878

Thanks Craig! 

Congrats glassdog on your sailor's graduation.  Friday is graduation day at Corry from C school at 9 or 10am and then they have to get to the airport for their 3:00 flight home.

Craig, that story on the SR-71 brought tears to my eyes. 

Wow, I'm so proud!! 

Thank you.

Congrats to those of you whose Sailors are graduating!

 

My son just started A School this week, so please cross your fingers and send good vibes for him.

Well for everyone who was talking about flights to duty stations and flying from different locations than school - My sons each have to pay $486 change fee to be able to leave from Spokane rather than Pensacola. I guess there is no way to try to avoid it by letting them know ahead of time.   

When they go to travel to get there plane ticket can they not just say they are going to fly out of somewhere else. Before the ticket is already booked?

navymom - I guess the flights are booked based on orders no matter what you tell them?  My son was told by the SATO (?) office that it is Navy policy to book that way.

It would be cheaper for him to get a flight back to PCola and use the navy's ticket but its already done so I guess they learned a lesson.

So if they want to want to take leave when do they need to put in that request? My son grads Sept 16th. from A school. But has not got his orders yet. There dream sheets went to the person who assigns duty stations last friday he said.

My son graduates A school on August 12th - unfortunately I will not be able to attend.  If anyone is attending this graduation, I would love to have pictures please.

Thanks idahojeep!  Paula I will keep good vibes going your sailors way as well as the others there.

Congratulations to all those graduating this week and last.

Thanks glassdog, and again, congrats to all with Sailors graduating and getting on with their new adventures!!!

Karen1913- my son too graduates on August 12th!!!  I would love pictures too- i have asked my son's friend to have his girlfriend take them - I hopefully will share with you. My sailor will be doing the colors for his own graduation- pretty cool!

idaho - clockard is correct, if a sailor wishes to leave from another location,  they will be required to pay the difference in cost, if any, from the original location to the new location.  In your example Seattle, instead of Pensacola.   They are REQUIRED to notify the sato office.

"Navy policy requires official travel must be arranged by NAVPTOs."

I actually talked about this in the above discussion area "Travel to Duty Stations".

http://www.navyformoms.com/group/ctratemoms/forum/topics/travel-to-...

The Sato office will route the flight the way the sailor wants.  Lets say the sailor is in Pensacola, and is being transfered to Hawaii.  The sailor must let the PSD know that they will be taking leave.  So suppose this sailor wants to go to Maine for leave, then more than likely he will need to pay a cost, because now the flight goes from Pensacola, to Maine, then to Hawaii.  However, lets say this sailor is going on leave in Dallas, then there probably won't be a cost at all, since most flight go from Dallas to Pensacola, it's just a delay in-route.  

He must let PSD know how much leave he is taking.  If it is more than his RNLTD (Report No Later Than Date) is sooner than than is authorized then they will send a message to the detailer to move the date back.

It's a very simple process.  

 

Here is the rule book:

http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/milpersman/1000/130...

"3.  Delay in Reporting (DELREP).  Navy Personnel Command (NAVPERSCOM) is authorized to grant 30 days leave in all PCS orders.    

a.  In the event unusual circumstances require a departure from this policy, maximum delay in reporting (DELREP) will be granted.

b.  Exceptions to the 30 days DELREP allowance must be approved by the appropriate assignment division director/branch head.    

c.  Orders returning members to the continental U.S. (CONUS) or the District of Columbia for separation will contain authorization for delay en route.      

d.  PCS orders will allow 30 days DELREP except in the following cases:         (1) Initial orders to active duty.        

(2) Hospitalization.        

(3) Second PCS move within 12-month period.        

(4) Homeport changes.        

(5) Unusual circumstances such as death or illness, detachment for cause, emergency, or key operational dates.        

(6) Upon completion or noncompletion of flight training.        

(7) Detachment from certain activities in Japan."

Thank you Craig.  They live and learn and this lesson was an expensive one.

So here is the breakdown on the travel situation and why you need to be travel/airline savvy when dealing with the Sato office.

#1 son called Sato office yesterday to reroute. They tell him they can get flight that is this - Spokane, WA to Portland, OR to Dallas/FW to Tokyo - this flight leaves on a Saturday and arrives on Monday with a 12 hr layover in DFW. Fee to son is $486.

#2 son calls Sato office today and they say we have this flight - Leave Spokane, WA on a Sunday to Seattle, WA to Tokyo arriving Monday. Fee to son for change - $111 to pay for flight to Seattle from Spokane.

 

The Sato office has been apologizing to son #1 all morning about the idiot in their office who made his flight arrangements yesterday. But to change to son #2's same flight will be an extra $300 on top of $486.

 

Kicker is they arrive in Tokyo within 2 hours of each other but we get one less day with #1 son. Lesson is make sure one can assist the Sato office if they have no clue of how to help you or have less than good knowledge of geography.

 

Sorry just venting about something that could have gone better. Have a great day all and I can't wait until tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our son was to leave from San Diego instead of Denver.  He called sato and they decided to have him fly from Denver to San Francisco, out of his pocket, and they would pay from San Francisco to Hawaii.  I asked him why they just didn't go ahead and have him leave from San Diego and he would pay the difference between Denver and San Diego.  He said he had no idea why they switched from one San to the other San.  Just hope he makes it to Hawaii on time to report!

woohoo!  I have a CTR!  Can't wait until he gets home tomorrow  He and my husband are driving home from Pensacola via New Orleans.  Next stop-Whidbey Island in Washington.

mumziepooh- CONGRATS

WooHoo for Mumziepooh!!!!!! (and her CTR).

Congrats Mumzie!! Enjoy your time with him home.

 Idahoojeep, so sorry to hear about your sons' extra expenses.  That's just crazy that one could do it so much cheaper.  :(  

Mumziepooh, Woohoo!  Congrats.  

My son graduates on Sept. 23, as a CTT.  Does anyone know when he will be given his Orders?  Just wondering because I want to start sending him subliminal messages to try and stay close by mom (or at least on the US mainland, lol)      

Betsy - What flavor of CTT is he? 4yo or 6yo?

 

Secondly, what I would do if I were you is ask him to print up the CMS listing of all the duty stations billets that are currently (for the next 12 months) and say you want to see a copy.  This will show you what billets they have, and where their going.  Here is an example of what they look like...

*Note, even though it is unclassified, I went ahead an wiped out the Ship Names and UIC just to keep our sailors safe. The shore stations don't mean much everyone knows where are shore stations are*

When choosing a duty station, you can go up or down 1 paygrade.  ie an E4 can also take an E3 (or below) billet or an E5 billet.  

ctt_example.jpg

 

All -

I posted this over in the CTN section, I thought I'd post it here to help your sailors on their advancement test...

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ActiveDuty - Since you messed up your test date, here is a hint, this is one of those questions that is on every advancement test.  

The question: 

Question:  When does the E5 advancement test happen during each test cycle? 

Do you know?

Here is the easy way to remember it.  

• The 1st class exam happens the 1st Thursday of the test month (Mar & Sept), 
• The 2nd class exam happens the 2nd Thursday of the test month (Mar & Sept),
• The 3rd class exam happens the 3rd Thursday of the test month (Mar & Sept).

Pretty easy huh?  You owe me a beer if that question is on your test.  Frankly all of you moms owe me a beer if that question is on your sailors advancement test.  Woo-hoo for Craig getting hammered!

 

Craig-

Got a question. I am in the learning stages, so it may sound stupid to you, but gotta ask.. On the Billet list, there is CTT2,CTT3,CTTSM, etc., Is that the rank of the CTT? CTT2- an E2? My son signed on as 4 active and 4 reserve. He plans on being in for the long haul- Career entry. Will go in as an E2 and should be an E4 after A school is what he has been told.  When does he put his choices in?  Is it based on what rank he is at the moment? Thanks for any advise..

 

Paula my oldest son is a AT2 which is a petty officer 2nd class so he is E5 going to take the E6 test next month. So I think that is what the number means petty officer 1st, 2nd or 3rd class. Not sure what the SM is. And my son isn't home for me to ask. Craig tell me if I am wrong.

Paula - Nothing is stupid here on this forum, you guys are just family members trying to learn more about the Navy, which is cool.  

There is only one thing you messed up on, that is, even though you know that I know the answer, I rather have you ask the entire group of members here on this forum the question. I want our members to step up (like navymom3 did) and answer up.  That way everyone is involved.  I don't ever want to be the one-man-band.  So always start your sentence with "All", instead of "Craig".  Our seasoned moms know there stuff...  

 

navymom3 - This is why I like you guys standing up.  You have it almost 100% correct.  I know now there are two people that don't fully understand the rate system.  So, by knowing this, I can provide information to the group that might help you guys.  

Soooooo, here is a cheat sheet that one of my deppers on my website made for the others.  The deppers will make this their wallpaper on their computer so they always see it.  But for you guys, I'd just make a short cut on your computer desktop so it's just a button click away.  I hope this might help you guys....

Deppers_Cheat_Sheet1_new_8_6_11.jpg 

Paula - Per you other question, your son will not be a E4.  He is a CTT operator are 4 yo (year), the CTT technical are 6 yo (year), go above in the discussion area to see the difference...

What the difference between a 4 year & 6 year CTT?

 

If he goes in as a E2, he will still need to meet the Time In Rate (TIR) requirement.  There use to be people called "Push button E4" (which is what I was), but those days are long gone, it went away in the 1990's.

Per for requesting his duty stations on his dream sheet, he needs to begin looking at the billets that are available now and save them.  That way he can write his dream sheet to those orders. Has he bought a CAC card reader?  He will be an E3 when he leaves Pensacola for his 1st duty station.  So he can look at the E1-E3 and the E4 billets.  He is not qualified for the E5 billets.

Click on this link:

What is a CAC card reader? Why is it so important?

Here is the TIR requirements.  Remember, you don't actually need to have the time in on the advancement date, just in the advancement cycle.  (Boy, I'm going to confuse everyone here with that statement)....  

 

Dee- My son says if it was the auto advance then he will not be eligible until march to take the exam. But if he advanced off the exam from last sept then he can take the exam this sept. He has to be being paid for a full year or from the froked date a full year. I hope I explained it right.

It helps having my oldest here to ask questions.

HA- the more I understand the more I get confused!

 

 

Dee - Per your question, I actually made a really cool chart to figure all that crap out.  I need to find it.  It will look like it is extremely hard to understand, but it is actually very simple.  In fact, you sailor will think your a genus for knowing more than most of there command. I guarantee he will be passing around to his buds...

One I find it, I will post it later this evening.   It is actually one of those things that you really need to hang onto.... He will use it for years....

God bless those troops that lost there lifes today in Afghanistan.  This is just a guess, but I beleive their may have been CT's among the SEALS, along with our brothers in the Marines on that helo.  

God bless them.... We feel your families pain....

In my thoughts and prayers- so sad.

My heart is breaking for the parents receiving notice that it was their child among the dead on the helicopter that was shot down in Afghanistan. I am praying for each of them. I will hug my Navy Sailor, home on leave, just a little tighter.

clockard, that was actually a typo I just made.  I had the YN rating in there, but since you guys are CT's, I wanted to add CTT to make it easier to understand.   In my quick hurry I typo'd it.  It should be CTTSR.  

It has now been corrected... Use this copy..

Deppers_Cheat_Sheet1_new_8_6_11.jpg

Word has it that it was a civilian CTI on that helo.  Usually the helo carries both a CTI and a CTT.  They still haven't released any confirmed info yet, this is all rumor mill stuff.  

Frankly it doesn't matter if they were civilian, military, or foreign nationals, it still a totally sad event.  As the song goes, "We didn't the fire, it has always been burning since the world was turning".  Wars have been going on since the beginning of mankind.   All we can do is honor those personnel that believe in our way of life.  Freedom isn't free....

 

ALL-

So sorry if i offended anyone when i asked my question- I just thought since one person posted something then that is who i would ask a question to. 

Paula - who was offended?  Nobody was offended - this site is full of lurkers that come for information and LOVE it when their question is asked.  Ask!  We are the lucky group-we have Craig!  He is a font of knowledge and so very helpful.  

 

On another note - people have asked how they can help the SEALS families - it hit so close to home.  I know it won't stop their pain but any donation you can make to the SEALS foundation will help to ease the financial burden. 

http://kitup.military.com/2011/08/forgotten-heroes-navy-seal-famili...

 

Craig, Thank you for all your info. It truly does help. You had asked if my son was a 4 year or 6 year CTT and he is a 4 year CTT.

Paula - We're not here to offend people, we are here to help them.  I didn't mean to come off as chewing you @ss, because it wasn't my intention.  Please understand, I run two websites myself, and I am always looking for information that I can pass to the deppers and newly active duty guys.  I know I talk wayyyyy too much, and it's just because I totally understand the system.  

To build a strong and cohesive group everyone needs to be involved.  Everyone needs to show & share their point of view.  I am always looking for more information that might be newer that what I have, that way I have even better stuff to share.  On my website, even though I'm the admin, everyone has a voice.  That's the way I want it.  Believe me, that group is really, really tight.  

Just recently, I never knew you guys didn't understand the rate (civilians call rank) system.  So I went ahead an edited something that I already had, because if you guys don't understand, then there is no way a fresh young depper would understand.  It's all about helping one another.  I'm just glad all of you moms are really into learning the Navy and talking about this stuff.  It shows that you care.  Does that make sense?  

Again, I meant no harm.  I just want all the members to be involved.  Cool?

Hello Everyone -

My son is a CTR3 and is assigned to a destroyer.  He's all serious about studying for and getting his ESWS award soon.  He had mentioned weeks ago he wanted to get that so, in his last e-mail when he mentioned he was working on it, I didn't want to ask what that was again.   I Goggled it and WOW!  That is something really neat.  Does anyone here have any pointers I can pass along?  Thanks!

 

I actually has the answers too, I'm at my sisters house right now, but I can post those later when I get home....Beleive me, he will surprise them at his board with his knowledge.. (thanks to mom).....

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Hey Thanks Craig!  

Yeah,  he's on an Arleigh Burke class ship.  Would he be in the same situation where he's working for the Admiral?  I don't ask him any questions about work.- don't want to put him on the spot in anyway.  Thanks so much for the info! 

CoeinneL - Here is the study material...

102_Naval_Heritage_and_Doctrine.pdf

103_U_S_Navy_Orgainzation.pdf

104_Shipboard_Organization_and_Administration.pdf

105esws.pdf

106_Deck_Fundamentals_ESWS.pdf