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I had just thought he was going to NAS, I'm so confused =/

What did he do while he was waiting?

I was reading over the liberty site thing above and it said phase 2 my husband could come live with me.

I really hope he just gets someone who is understanding about the baby but I know that isn't very likely

HoldFast:  If your Sailor is going to A School in Pensacola for CTR, then he will be at Corry Station, not NAS.  He will likely Phase up very quickly like my son recently did (unless he goofs up).

My son was assigned a "job" cleaning the laundry room.  He said it took all of 30 minutes/day. The rest of his time was free (unless he was assigned to do watch).  That was before he classed up.

He said they have PT three times a week (early in the am before class starts), so between PT, school, studying, and cleaning the laundry room, he stays busy and enjoys the beach on the weekends.

If I were you, I wouldn't stress about the details - just go there.  You need to be near him.  It will work out.

There are actually 4 bases in Pensacola. The 2 our sailors go to for school are NAS and Corry Station. Some go to NAS first for a pre class but there is no pre class for CTR. All Ct and IT end up at Corry.

While waiting for class to start they do there indoc and get all there watch quals done. The sooner they get them done the faster they phase up. Then they do some barracks support if class has not started yet. They keep them busy while waiting for class to start. 

Even if he can't live with you, you could probably see him everyday. Which is better than nothing.

Holdfast - Just to clarify when navymom3 says "Some go to NAS first for a pre class but there is no pre class for CTR. All Ct and IT end up at Corry."....  

What she is saying is all CTT (6 years) and CTM go to NAS for the 1st part of their "A" school.  All CTI go to Monterey California for their "A" school.  The CTT (4 years), CTN, CTR,  (and IT) go straight to Corry. 

The term "Brown-bagger" is mainly used by the Airdale community.  In fact, the only time I've ever heard it outside that community was about 3 years ago, which is strange since I've been a CT for 34 years.

You have the right to move where ever you want in the U.S.  You are an U.S. citizen.   If you choose to stay in Pensacola, then you will get housing (BAH) allowance for that area. The Navy is required to pay you BAH for whatever area the dependents live.   However, if the Navy doesn't approve you to live there, then they will make him stay in the barracks doing all the stuff that normal single sailors do.  (ie muster 3 times a day, remain on base, etc....)  So you might be in Pensacola, but you'd might as well be in Alaska because you wouldn't see him until phase 2, if he doesn't follow the Navy process of requesting you to be there.

Lastly, as much as you want to be there, you need to remember that he is there to learn his job.  Sometimes the wife being there causes the sailor to fail his classes, which then the Navy will send them to the fleet designated.  So a few months of pleasure will turn into a lifetime of misery.  So choose what you do carefully.  Don't expect him to spend a bunch of time with you.  He has to learn his school, he might be in a study group each night.  

Personally, I would try to be there (if I were you), however, I would also make dang sure he understands that you fully support him, even if you only see him a few hours each day.  Don't rag on him if you're not seeing him much, remember, it was your choice to move there.  Bottomline is to know all the rule and facts before you do anything in the Navy.  

NavyMom4J - Tell your son to pass to his friend to look me up in Denver.  I work with the Navy and can show him some really cool stuff when he gets here...  

I will post some pictures tonight of NIOC Denver in the discussion area above...(when I have time)....

Craig- sounds good- I will let him know. I hope that my son can eventually meet you since I live in Lakewood- and when he come home on leave I will contact you.

Look forward to your post of NIOC Denver

@Holdfast: I just moved to Pensacola from Washington state because my husband is crossrating to CTN. We've been together since 2003 and he joined in 2006. While he was in his first A-school at NAS P'Cola I would drive down from Tennessee (I wasn't a dependent yet). I pretty much always stayed at the Blue Angel Recreation Park. They have little places you can rent for a day or a week. I always enjoyed it, but I haven't been back by there since then. They have a website you can check out though. I hope that helps! If you have any more questions, feel free to send me a message and I will try to help! 

Dee- congrats on getting contact with your son.

Beachyblonde- My oldest son moved from Whidbey NAS to Jax NAS in feb and he is AT also. Maybe they know each other. He was there for 4 years. My middle son is at Corry right now.

@Beachyblonde- I wish I could just drive down there all the time but I'm pregnant and nearing the end, we wanted me to move there so if he can be there even if just for the birth he didn't have to go out of the area. Thank you though, it does help to know it can be done.

@Craig- I have made it very clear to him that if I am to go down there that school has to be the main focus of his and I will do everything and anything I can to support that. Apparently phase 2 he could possibly move in with me and I told him that if he thought living with a new born and me would be too much for him while he is trying to get things done then I want him to stay on base. I'm not doing this to be selfish, I'm doing this because I know that my husband and I know for a fact that since I have had health issues throughout my pregnancy he would be more at ease having me near. I will do whatever he tells me he is most comfortable with. I just need him to succeed and no matter what he decides to do I will support him completely beyond a shadow of a doubt.

CTmomof3 -  Corry is basically only for the sailors fresh out of boot camp.  They try to keep the fleet returnies away for them since fleet sailors are a different breed.  We would corrupt them...Heck we corrupt ourselves!

So he would more than likely stay at the Gateway Inn located on NAS Pensacola.  It's a really nice place and his per diem will cover the whole amount.  He doesn't even need a Certificate of Non-Availability (CNA).  They have 1100 rooms, yea, I said Eleven Hundred.  Even though they have lots of rooms, he would be smart to go ahead and book a room reservation, and as the time comes closer he can just move the dates around.  If he doesn't have a car, then they have a shuttle going back and forth. 

The link to the Gateway Inn is www.dodlodging.net  Just click on NAS Pensacola. 

The Navy considers it a "PCS" school when course of instruction will be 20 weeks or more at one location. PCS school includes civilian colleges, Preparatory School,or other service academies. The 20-week limitation does not include holiday periods such as Christmas when no instruction is given. 

The rule is on page 1-B-1

PCS_Move_is_20_weeks_or_more

HoldFast - 

You said

• " I will do everything and anything I can to support that."
• "I will do whatever he tells me he is most comfortable with."

I can tell you one thing for sure, I know why you're pregnant....

HoldFast - I'm sorry you haven't experience the Navy humor yet.  Your husband will soon learn this same humor. Unlike the moms here, We sailors joke about everything.  That's how sailors keep their sanity in the fleet.   

I really do appreciate you thanking us for support, that's what we do here.  We provide everyone with information about all the CT ratings.  That's what all the members here enjoy.  This group provides support to everyone.   Yes, I totally understand your situation.  Beleive me, I have worked so many issues with wives wanted to join their husband in "A" school.

Please understand I know how your sailor personality will change, they all change because we (the CT's) are such a tight knit community.  Make dang sure you don't have a "short-fuse" with your husband if you decide to join him at "A" school.  He needs to get through school, and needs your support. 

If you choose not to post here anymore, that is your choice.  However, I do hope, for the sake of your sailor, that you at least continue to be a lurker here. You will learn a lot of information to help your sailor.  

Just want to let you all know I have really appreciated your help and information.  The humor has to be there so we all don't scream in frustration at our inability to get accurate information from our sailors.  I think many are just to used to saying"I don't know." or "That's what I heard."  From this site I have been able to point my sailor in the right direction many times.  Thanks again to all of you who do have and give us the information and help.(Many of you may not know, if you are a lurker, that Craig is on more than just this site to get info out to people.  Dealing with the Navy info and so many people you better have a sense of humor!) 

Also my sailor is heading for Hawaii on Tues.  We have really enjoyed having him at home the last few weeks!

I will only answer the BAH question, since this is really going to be long.  I will answer the other ones in a separate post.

There are actually very few places a sailors spouse can't go (example the island of Diego Garcia).  Yes, they have contractors on that island (male and female), but contractors are the only civilians.

His wife is a U.S. citizen.  She NEVER will lose her rights just because her husband is in the military.  She can go where ever she wants, however, the Navy doesn't have to give her all the entitlements.  What does this mean?  Let be break it down:

Him going to Pensacola - Since the spouse is located in the U.S., then they can collect BAH for whatever area they are living.  Notice I said where the spouse is located.  The reason I said that is the sailor might receive the BAH, but it is the dependent that gives him that entitlement.  It's not the sailors money, it's the dependent.  The sailor is required to pay for housing for the dependent, up to the BAH limit.  So if the spouse wants to live in an expensive place (example $10,000 per month), then the sailor is only require to pay what his limit is (example $1,500 per month).  The rest of the money is on the dependent.

Depending on where the spouse lives is what the Navy pays in BAH and COLA.  So lets say the spouse lives in San Francisco, and is receiving BAH and COLA for that area, then they might not want to tell the Navy they are going to Pensacola.  They want to keep that nice chunk of money instead of the lower BAH cost area in Pensacola.  Is this morally right?  Well if you remember the dependent is only "visiting", then yes it is.  The only thing the Navy can do is limit his time with her.  They can't restrict him to base because that would be a punishment (the phase liberty is a different story).  However, they can say his barracks room must be clean each day (without dust), so he would be responsible to maintain his Geographically, bachelors status.

On the other hand, lets say Georgia is less BAH than Pensacola, then she would want to tell the Navy her new location is in Pensacola then she would get the BAH for that area.  She can move there, but since it isn't a PCS move, the Navy won't pay to move her House Hold Goods (HHG). 

Does this make sense?

Overseas is totally different.  The sailors wife can go there to an live on the economy, but the Navy is only responsible for the BAH, not the COLA.  So if she was a millionaire then she could live there if the country would allow it.  Most countries limit a visit to 6 months.  But most sailors can't afford the cost for those areas out of their pocket.  To live there and receive the Navy entitlements, they must be command sponsored to use things like medical, base exchange, commissary.  Without command sponsorship, If they get sick, then they must seek medical in town and it is really expensive. I had a sailor on my website that went through all of this.  It ended up his wife just went to Japan to visit every 6 months, and live in the US for 3 years while he completed his tour.  They could never get command sponsorship since he was only a E2.  Yes, I know the Navy has a rule saying married sailor in paygrade E1-E3 are not allowed to go overseas, but that is only base on readiness.  The Navy said they needed him there, so he had to go (without his spouse).  It was a totally sad situation, with a bad outcome.  

Per the HHG, he has four choices.  He can leave ship his HHG for his wife to use if she deceides to stay where ever they were OR he can put them in temporary stowage and have them ship closer to his PCS date OR he can place them in non-temporary stowage while he is on his tour in Japan and they will remained stored until he returns to the US  OR  he can ship them to his home of record or anywhere in the US for someone else to store them (ie like his parents). 

Per the car, your correct, you're not authorized to ship your car to Japan, unless you pay for it yourself, and then I don't know if you can get it registered on base. The exception is a vehicle made after 1976, don't ask me why. You can ship a motorcycle, and you can probably find out more info on all of this either online or at the base where you are stationed now.

This is out of the consignment guide...instructions for Japan...sorry for the length 

PRIVATELY OWNED VEHICLES (POVS): 
a. POV shipments are subject to embargo or waiver requirements. Effective 1 April 1996, the Assistant Secretary for Defense (for Management Policy) has granted limited case-by-case, waiver authority to Commander USFJ for shipment of post 1976 type vehicles to Mainland Japan only. Okinawa continues to be under an embargo status and is not included under this waiver authority. The waiver authority for Mainland Japan has been further delegated by USFJ to Component Commanders. When requesting a waiver the following information should be included: make/year/model of vehicle and vehicle identification number (VIN), if equipped with California emission. All DoD/military members/employees must obtain prior approval from their respective service authority in Japan named in para 8e. All imported motor vehicles must be registered by the Government of Japan. 
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e. WAIVERS: All DOD/military members/employees must obtain prior approval from their respective service authority in Japan as indicated below for shipment of POVs. The following are the POC's for POV Waivers: 

1. For all Army: Commander, USAG-J, Bldg 102, Room E100, Unit 45006, ATTN IMPC-JA-LGT-Z, APO AP 96343. Phone numbers: DSN 263-5154/4766; COMM 011-81-46-407-5154. DSN FAX: 315-263-8984. Email address:atozama@zama.army.mil 

2. For Air Force: 

a. Yokota AB, JA: 374 LRS/LGRDF, Unit 5120, Yokota AB, JA, APO AP 96328. Phone numbers: DSN 315-225-9733-9725; COMM: 011-81-3117-55-9733/9725. DSN FAX: 315-225-9606. Email address: 374LRS.LGRDF@YOKOTA.AF.MIL 

b. Misawa AB, JA: 35 LRS/LGRDF, Misawa AB JA, Unit 5014, APO AP 96319-5014. Phone number: DSN 226-3525. DSN FAX: 226-2077. Email Address: 35personalpropertyoffice@misawa.af.mil 

3. For Navy and Marines: Commander, US Naval Forces, Japan ATTN: N-8, FPO AP 96349, phone number DSN 243-2065/3094. FAX number 243-3109. 

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Privately Owned Vehicles (POV’s)POV shipments to Japan are permitted, subject to embargo or waiver requirements, but are not recommended.

 Effective 1 Apr 96, the assistant Secretary of Defense (Revised September 2004) 9STATEMENT OF LIVING AND WORKING CONDITIONS (Management & Policy) has granted limited case-by-case waiver authority to Commander USFJ for shipment of post-1976 vehicles to mainland Japan only. Okinawa continues to be under embargo and is not included under this waiver authority. Certain requirements/restrictions may cause personal and financial hardships encountered in modifying POVs to meet the strict environmental/emissions standards imposed by the host nation governments, especially in Japan.  

Even vehicles manufactured in Japan and meeting California emissions requirements, reimported to Japan, must undergo a two-day emissions test, which costs approximately Y192,600 (between $1,700-$2,000 depending upon the conversion rate at the time), and requires driving the vehicle to the Yokota area where it must remain overnight. Although earlier-model cars may be shipped, cost of compliance with Japanese emission control and safety standards would significantly increase should the vehicle fail the inspection(s).  Vehicles that do not pass inspection will not be shipped back to CONUS at government expense. Used Japanese cars are readily available, are fairly inexpensive, have the advantage of right-hand drive, and meet Japanese emission control standards.

 Also, Japanese public transportation is excellent, and rental vehicles are available on base for off-base excursions.Motorcycles are popular means of transportation in Japan.  However, because of the inherent dangers involved in operating motorcycles, specific licensing requirements must be met, as well as stringent safety and emission system controls in compliance with Japanese laws.  Purchase of a new or used motorcycle in Japan is a relatively straightforward transaction with prices comparable to those in the U.S.  If you have a state-approved or U.S. military issued motorcycle license, be sure to bring it with you, as it may reduce the time spent in qualifying  for a license.

 If you plan to ship a motorcycle to Japan, it would be advisable to have your sponsor check the vehicle specifications with the Security Department to ensure that the motorcycle will pass Japanese standards without excessive and costly modifications.  Two-wheeled vehicles (including motorcycles) may not be driven by SOFA-sponsored persons in Misawa between 1 December and 30 March.

Actually you might want to book mark this link:

Smooth_Move

I tell you, the humor is what keeps me going.  I love when when I can throw in a joke every now and then.  

I remember once, a mom said her son shared the bath with the the sailors in the other room... This is what I immediately thought....

Man, this actually becomes reality soon.  On September 20th, gays are allowed to serve.  Man, I hope they stock up on alot or "soap-on-the-rope" at the exchange....Or the sailors eyes will be doing this:

Here is the scoop:

If you're dual military with no children they both get single BAH.  With children,  its the one that claims the child as a dependent gets BAH w/dependents. The other would still collect BAH at the single rate.  So the smart thing to do is to have the higher ranking claim the child so they'd get more BAH. 

Which is why dual military always live better than normal military personnel because both collect at the single rate minimum.

If they get stationed at different duty stations, and are E-5 and under with no dependents, there is a chance that they would be put in the barracks.  If stationed together there is a 99.9% chance they would each draw the single rate BAH.

Go here for more info...(you know your special when you get a link from me,,,,Wait,... I give a link to everyone...~ha)

http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/site/bah.cfm

Now that it has became public, I want to say that we have lost one of our own...CTR1(EXW) Michael Joseph Strange.... Thank you for serving our great country, Michael, may you Rest-In-Peace shipmate....You will not be forgotten....

Here is the official release:

Two naval officers react outside for services for U.S. Navy Petty Officer 1st Class Michael Joseph Strange, a cryptology technician, at the Cathedral Basilica of Saints Peter, and Paul Thursday, Aug 18, 2011, in Philadelphia.  Strange was assigned to the Navy SEAL team whose Chinook helicopter was shot down Aug 6 by a rocket-propelled grenade in what has become the deadliest single loss for U.S. forces in the decade-long war in Afghanistan.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/top-news-photos-1313629647-slideshow/t...

and

http://navycaptain-therealnavy.blogspot.com/2011/08/military-honors...

Craig- thanks for posting pictures of NIOC Denver- I love the prairie dog one! LOL!!!  Sent to my sailor - he really hopes to get Denver!

And also thanks for your sense of humor- some of the things you send keep me laughing for hours !!!  EVERYONE needs humor in their lives otherwise it is too stressful!  Keep sending them! LOL

Let's not forget the other CT's that also lost their lives in the Global War on Terror.

Cryptologic Technicians Awarded BRONZE STAR medals in Global War on Terror

CTTCS - Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician Technical (SW) James Misner

CTTCS - Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician (Technical) (SW/AW) Peer Tuckson

CTR1 - Cryptologic Technician Collection 1st Class Brian D. Sims

CTR1 - Cryptologic Technician Collection 1st Class Ismael Jimenez

CTM3 - Cryptologic Technician Maintenance 3rd Class Matthew O'Bryant

CTTCS - Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician (Technical) Terry L. Thomas

Since I was a CTM, this one kind-of hit hard...

CTM3 Matthew O'Bryant