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Son being separated
My son is being separated for mild depression. Here's the background:
He hyperextended his knee during bootcamp, went to physical therapy, when he was able to go back to training, he injured it again. He was pretty bummed about going back to RCU. Plus, being around the holidays, first time away from family and friends, who could blame him? So, the doctor said he had mild depression and therefore he is being separated.
He said he was shocked at this because another recruit in there was suicidal and they kept sending him back to his ship stating that he can cope. That recruit was finally sent home after about 3 months of trying to get SEPS. Now, with my son, being diagnosed, because he just bummed about the whole thing with his knee, is being sent home. He is really down about this now. He made a 94 on the ASVAB, and recruiters were pulling him in all different directions. One wanted him to be in Nuclear Engineering, another for an officer, etc. He had decided on being an officer but unsure of whether he wanted to be a nuclear engineering officer or an aviation officer.
How does he fight this? I've written him (today) and told him to do these things:
1) File for an appeal
2) Go to JAG
3) If he is sent home, go back to his recruiter
4) Contact his congressman
I also told him he will have to fight for himself. He will have to be his own advocate. I've given him encouragement. Is there anything on my end I can do? I don't know how much resources he has compared to what I have at my fingertips.
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Permalink Reply by jagibson on
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They said that he will be barred from all branches of the service. I don't understand how people who want to be in there get discharged quicker than those trying to get out.
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He can file an appeal..but that will mean he will be in bootcamp Ship 5 even longer..is he willing to do that when he already is having issues?
He will see a lawyer while there.
If he gets sent home..odds of him getting back in the USN are slim to none..no matter what anyone says...why? The USN is overmanned and they can and are being very picky about who they take.
It is up to him if he wants the congressman contacted...but if he does this while he is at bootcamp, he needs proof that he is not depressed..which by what you are saying doesn't sound like he isn't.
As far as the other recruit..each recruit only knows there case..they don't know all the information to you can't compaire apples to oranges it doesn't work (sorry)
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you can't do anything on your end, unless he signs the paper work at legal stating you can talk to someone at bootcamp about his case. If he doesn't sign the paper work you will never know 100% what is going on, all you will know is 1 side of the story
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I talked to him today & they are discharging him with a waiver to return, so it's not the one that bars him. He said that there is no demand for officers & they are laying them off left and right. One retired Navy said that what it sounds like is that they are giving him a discharge so they won't be in breech of contact. But she did stresses to have him ask for something other than a medical discharge so he won't have so much red tape to go through. I'll definitely tell him that when I speak to him next.
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not being rude...but they always say people can get back in with a waiver..what they don't say is those waivers normally don't get approved.
Breech of contract? How would it have been breech of contract?
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He signed a six year contract for officer. I don't quite know all the details of it.
I'm thinking that's why I was told to tell him to try to get them to discharge him on something other than medical so he won't need a waiver. -
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no matter what he will need a waiver to try and join the USN again...once seperated
Officers don't go to Great Lakes bootcamp...they also don't take the ASVAB test. So I don't think he signed as an officer if he is up in Great Lakes.
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I didn't fully explain that. He is enrolled signed up for the STA-21. Once he finishes boot camp, A school, & the school in Wide Island, the Navy was sending him to a college that had a NROTC & only a few schools were on the list. Once he finished with that, on to be an officer. He's only 19 so he doesn't have his degree yet.
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Permalink Reply by Craig on
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jagibson - I fully agree with what snmouse said. Those are the exact steps he needs to take. However, I don't agree with "He won't be able to get VA benefits". If this depression was a "Service connected disability", then he could actually get VA disability benefits. With that said, it will be really hard to get the Navy to agree with that. They will say he had it prior to going in. But fight that also.
Per the STA-21. The STA-21 is for active duty sailors already serving in the Navy. The sailor has to apply for it and has to be selected. You probably are confusing it for some other Navy program. It has to be a newer plan, since I never heard of it.
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There is no program where they go to bootcamp and than right into an Officers program...if they want to be an Officer from civilian they sign up that way...and don't go to bootcamp. If they want to go Officer after being enlisted, they must put in application in...which would happen after all training and once at their first command.
Sounds like someone may have said, he could go into the STA-21 program...he just has to apply once in.
Agree with Craig...the USN saying the depression was service connected is going to be next to impossable as odds are he already said he was homesick and such...seals the deal it was prior to bootcamp.
He can try to fight it..but once he is out..it is really not that easy to get it changed. Best he and you start working on a plan "B" as not everyone is qualifed to service in the Military. Some people just can't handle it...and if he is getting depressed in bootcamp...just think what could happen if he got sent to Iraq? Better for him to be safe at home.
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He already has another plan. He's going to check the job market for aeronautical engineer. If it is a good market, then that is what he will pursue his degree in. If it is not a very good job market, then he will rever back to his original plan before he decided to enlist which is to be a high school teacher. He said he will try again but after he receives his degree and if it doesn't work out, he will still have a degree he can utilize.
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