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Now Your Sailor is at Dam Neck
With the N4M website growing in popularity and new billets being added to the IS program we have seen a substantial increase in the number of new members to the IS group. Welcome all of you. We have found ourselves over the past few months answering some of the same questions many times. It is wonderful that families are so involved with and supportive of their sailors, and want to know so much about what they face as they go from Seaman Recruit (SR) at boot camp, to SA (Seaman Apprentice) at Dam Neck, to IS as they exit school.
I hope in this discussion area questions about A school, C school, the Dam Neck Annex, and the Virginia Beach area can be addressed. Let me remind everyone that in the Navy there are basic rules of thumb. First, hurry up and wait...they ask you to hurry so you can sit around and wait. Second, nothing is etched in stone...base commanders change, instructors change, equipment and technology change, rules change, and orders change; that's what the Navy and our National Security need at that given time. Third, please understand that we all have come to this website for support, comfort, friendship and answers; we can not answer things we do not know or that should not be put on the internet.
Please remember that these things are subject to change:
At the time of this posting, when your sailor leaves boot camp if you can meet them at the airport, they will be allowed to bring a cell phone, a laptop, and a small personal music device (iPod or similar). You do not have to face the "kid in a box" again. Although your sailor will have a lot more freedom at Dam Neck, the first several days are busy (actually all their days are) with getting processed into the school, going to medicals to hand them their medical records, finding their way around, and in the meantime being active sailors. They will be put on a duty section where the sailor must remain at the barracks except to go to the school building, get something to eat, or if scheduled for an appointment. I have been told that duty is every fourth day now. If they are on duty, they will be assigned duties to perform, if their duty section leader assesses them and feels that they are not performing up to standard their duties may be reassigned. They may also have to stand watches.
Also, if you were not able to attend PIR or spend time with your sailor after graduation, be aware there is a strict rule that while they are out in uniform they cannot be walking and on the cell phone at the same time. Since they march in formation to and from the barracks and school that cuts into time as well. They will do PT (Physical Training) several times a week, either before getting ready for school or in the afternoons after classes. They must keep their rooms in ship shape because they do get inspected. They do their own laundry and do general cleaning around the outside of the barracks. Do not expect them to answer the phone every time you call just because they are on hold, waiting to class up. They are still kept busy.
Dam Neck is a small base just south of the main Virginia Beach. It has it's own beach as well. The MWR (Morale, Wellness, and Recreation) building has a bank of computers where your sailor can send emails or go online. They also have a projection TV, a room with gaming consoles, a small theater (there is a larger IMAX theater at Oceana, NAS), a coin operated laundry room, pool tables, lounging area, and a very helpful staff. There is a small NEX store (a larger NEX mall at Oceana), and a Chapel which has 2 or 3 services on Sundays, maybe Saturdays as well. There are I believe, 3 softball fields, a track, a walking/running path, tennis courts, and I think I remember some outdoor basketball courts. For those of legal age there is an enlisted club as well I think. A sailor is considered "legal age" on base if he/she is of legal age in his/her home state, is the way I understood it.
Phasing up: The first week at Dam Neck your sailor basically has no liberties. Once they arrive at Dam Neck though they can call, text, email the address to you and you can ship clothing, any small electronics they did not take with them, and some food stuffs. Your sailor will be told to send any parcels certified. I can tell you as other moms can too that what they mean is ship it insured. Certified is for documents and letters. If you send it USPS-insured, it will get sent to the NEX for pick up. If it is not insured, only the minimum postage paid on it, the parcel will be sent to the school building and security will have to have your sailor name off all the items that are in the parcel. Believe me Chris and I had to go through that and if there is food stuff in an uninsured parcel, they give the sailor a big frown. :( They do not like food at the school.
POVs (Personally Owned Vehicles) :
When Chris phased up to being allowed his car on base we checked with Fleet and Family Services at Oceana and they gave us the hours of operation for the Pass and ID office at Oceana. To bring the vehicle on base (or even one visiting on base) a pass must be issued for the vehicle. If it is during the weekend and you are simply visiting, those passes can be issued at the gate but ONLY if the Pass and ID office is closed. Otherwise ALL vehicles must go to the Pass and ID Office. A couple of moms have posted more current information about vehicle registration below. (Sorry I'm having trouble making my Admin tools work properly, or I would paste the links here)
After approximately 6 weeks at Dam Neck your sailor will be phased up to full liberties where he/she can leave when their liberty begins on Friday and remain off base until Sunday night. All liberties are considered a privilege that can be recalled at anytime the Navy decides they need your sailor more. Also if they are scheduled for duty over the weekend they will either have to swap with someone in advance or they will have to remain at barracks during that 24 hours. Plan visits accordingly.
Visits: You may go to Dam Neck and visit your sailor. There are many places available in the Virginia Beach area. They vary in prices, availability, services, etc just like anywhere else. I stayed at the Navy Lodge right there on the Annex and found it very nice. The room was clean, there was a small kitchenette, and more than enough towels. There was also a small play area for younger kids, charcoal grills out back and picnic tables. It was just about a slow five minute drive over to the barracks so Chris was able to leave the room just before midnight and be checked in, in time. He came back over early the next morning. If you are out and about on the base (the MWR, riding around, the NEX, etc) your escort (sailor) must remain with you. Except for traveling directly to and from the Navy Lodge they should be in the car with you also.
School: The school hours and days may vary by holidays, mandatory medicals, Instructor's meetings and things of that nature. Most of the time school begins at 8:00am and runs til lunch break, they march back then to barracks or the galley, have their meal and then march back for the after noon session. On some Fridays they may be excused around lunch time, and those not on duty can usually begin their liberty if they have earned it.
Both A school and C school are very competitive and demand a lot of study time. If a sailor fails a unit they can sometimes retake the test but they will be put on mando (mandatory study time), or they may be put on hold and have to be dropped from that class and wait until another class makes it to that unit. It is not unusual for students to go back to the schoolhouse after evening meal and study until, 9:00, 10:00 or even later at night.
A school is 13 weeks long. it is a general over view of Intelligence specialties and whatever else they learn. (Who knows?) C School is job specific. Near the end of a school a sailor has the opportunity to make his/her "dream assignment" known. The Navy will then release a pool of job openings by the specialty and/or location of the job. The highest ranking student in the class (highest grade average) is allowed to choose first. The second highest gets to choose second and so on. These are only preliminary choices that may be changed later. That happened to my son. He picked DC and the instructors began talking to him about the area and 3 weeks into C school his orders were changed to go overseas. Again, nothing is etched in stone.
Depending on the specialty that the sailor trains in during C school determines the number of weeks that his/her C school will last. One specialty school lasts about 6 weeks, another I believe, lasts about 15 weeks, and then Strike and a couple of other more classified areas train for I think about 8-12 weeks. Those, I am not as sure about since my son starts shutting up on some of it and there is not so much info out there on those couple of specialties. Everything in IS is a "need to know basis" and that's stuff I don't need to know. There is more info on all this in Ellen's discussion about the IS rating in general.
When a sailor completes A school there is a very brief and very informal graduation for them. I understand that when C school is completed the "ceremony" lasts a little longer but still informal. I understand that family may attend. I will post more about this after I attend my son's graduation soon.
The one thing I can tell you is that I asked a few moms whose kids were already out in the field and they have all said that their sailors like what they do. It is a field that is vital to our security and gives them a wonderful background for other jobs after coming out of military service. Please tell your sailors thank you for their service and congratulations, they've earned it.
It sounds as though there are a lot of negatives here but it not really so bad and there is free time. It’s just better to be aware that they are still in the Navy and are basically on the job 24/7. Will post more later about the VB area.
I hope in this discussion area questions about A school, C school, the Dam Neck Annex, and the Virginia Beach area can be addressed. Let me remind everyone that in the Navy there are basic rules of thumb. First, hurry up and wait...they ask you to hurry so you can sit around and wait. Second, nothing is etched in stone...base commanders change, instructors change, equipment and technology change, rules change, and orders change; that's what the Navy and our National Security need at that given time. Third, please understand that we all have come to this website for support, comfort, friendship and answers; we can not answer things we do not know or that should not be put on the internet.
Please remember that these things are subject to change:
At the time of this posting, when your sailor leaves boot camp if you can meet them at the airport, they will be allowed to bring a cell phone, a laptop, and a small personal music device (iPod or similar). You do not have to face the "kid in a box" again. Although your sailor will have a lot more freedom at Dam Neck, the first several days are busy (actually all their days are) with getting processed into the school, going to medicals to hand them their medical records, finding their way around, and in the meantime being active sailors. They will be put on a duty section where the sailor must remain at the barracks except to go to the school building, get something to eat, or if scheduled for an appointment. I have been told that duty is every fourth day now. If they are on duty, they will be assigned duties to perform, if their duty section leader assesses them and feels that they are not performing up to standard their duties may be reassigned. They may also have to stand watches.
Also, if you were not able to attend PIR or spend time with your sailor after graduation, be aware there is a strict rule that while they are out in uniform they cannot be walking and on the cell phone at the same time. Since they march in formation to and from the barracks and school that cuts into time as well. They will do PT (Physical Training) several times a week, either before getting ready for school or in the afternoons after classes. They must keep their rooms in ship shape because they do get inspected. They do their own laundry and do general cleaning around the outside of the barracks. Do not expect them to answer the phone every time you call just because they are on hold, waiting to class up. They are still kept busy.
Dam Neck is a small base just south of the main Virginia Beach. It has it's own beach as well. The MWR (Morale, Wellness, and Recreation) building has a bank of computers where your sailor can send emails or go online. They also have a projection TV, a room with gaming consoles, a small theater (there is a larger IMAX theater at Oceana, NAS), a coin operated laundry room, pool tables, lounging area, and a very helpful staff. There is a small NEX store (a larger NEX mall at Oceana), and a Chapel which has 2 or 3 services on Sundays, maybe Saturdays as well. There are I believe, 3 softball fields, a track, a walking/running path, tennis courts, and I think I remember some outdoor basketball courts. For those of legal age there is an enlisted club as well I think. A sailor is considered "legal age" on base if he/she is of legal age in his/her home state, is the way I understood it.
Phasing up: The first week at Dam Neck your sailor basically has no liberties. Once they arrive at Dam Neck though they can call, text, email the address to you and you can ship clothing, any small electronics they did not take with them, and some food stuffs. Your sailor will be told to send any parcels certified. I can tell you as other moms can too that what they mean is ship it insured. Certified is for documents and letters. If you send it USPS-insured, it will get sent to the NEX for pick up. If it is not insured, only the minimum postage paid on it, the parcel will be sent to the school building and security will have to have your sailor name off all the items that are in the parcel. Believe me Chris and I had to go through that and if there is food stuff in an uninsured parcel, they give the sailor a big frown. :( They do not like food at the school.
POVs (Personally Owned Vehicles) :
When Chris phased up to being allowed his car on base we checked with Fleet and Family Services at Oceana and they gave us the hours of operation for the Pass and ID office at Oceana. To bring the vehicle on base (or even one visiting on base) a pass must be issued for the vehicle. If it is during the weekend and you are simply visiting, those passes can be issued at the gate but ONLY if the Pass and ID office is closed. Otherwise ALL vehicles must go to the Pass and ID Office. A couple of moms have posted more current information about vehicle registration below. (Sorry I'm having trouble making my Admin tools work properly, or I would paste the links here)
After approximately 6 weeks at Dam Neck your sailor will be phased up to full liberties where he/she can leave when their liberty begins on Friday and remain off base until Sunday night. All liberties are considered a privilege that can be recalled at anytime the Navy decides they need your sailor more. Also if they are scheduled for duty over the weekend they will either have to swap with someone in advance or they will have to remain at barracks during that 24 hours. Plan visits accordingly.
Visits: You may go to Dam Neck and visit your sailor. There are many places available in the Virginia Beach area. They vary in prices, availability, services, etc just like anywhere else. I stayed at the Navy Lodge right there on the Annex and found it very nice. The room was clean, there was a small kitchenette, and more than enough towels. There was also a small play area for younger kids, charcoal grills out back and picnic tables. It was just about a slow five minute drive over to the barracks so Chris was able to leave the room just before midnight and be checked in, in time. He came back over early the next morning. If you are out and about on the base (the MWR, riding around, the NEX, etc) your escort (sailor) must remain with you. Except for traveling directly to and from the Navy Lodge they should be in the car with you also.
School: The school hours and days may vary by holidays, mandatory medicals, Instructor's meetings and things of that nature. Most of the time school begins at 8:00am and runs til lunch break, they march back then to barracks or the galley, have their meal and then march back for the after noon session. On some Fridays they may be excused around lunch time, and those not on duty can usually begin their liberty if they have earned it.
Both A school and C school are very competitive and demand a lot of study time. If a sailor fails a unit they can sometimes retake the test but they will be put on mando (mandatory study time), or they may be put on hold and have to be dropped from that class and wait until another class makes it to that unit. It is not unusual for students to go back to the schoolhouse after evening meal and study until, 9:00, 10:00 or even later at night.
A school is 13 weeks long. it is a general over view of Intelligence specialties and whatever else they learn. (Who knows?) C School is job specific. Near the end of a school a sailor has the opportunity to make his/her "dream assignment" known. The Navy will then release a pool of job openings by the specialty and/or location of the job. The highest ranking student in the class (highest grade average) is allowed to choose first. The second highest gets to choose second and so on. These are only preliminary choices that may be changed later. That happened to my son. He picked DC and the instructors began talking to him about the area and 3 weeks into C school his orders were changed to go overseas. Again, nothing is etched in stone.
Depending on the specialty that the sailor trains in during C school determines the number of weeks that his/her C school will last. One specialty school lasts about 6 weeks, another I believe, lasts about 15 weeks, and then Strike and a couple of other more classified areas train for I think about 8-12 weeks. Those, I am not as sure about since my son starts shutting up on some of it and there is not so much info out there on those couple of specialties. Everything in IS is a "need to know basis" and that's stuff I don't need to know. There is more info on all this in Ellen's discussion about the IS rating in general.
When a sailor completes A school there is a very brief and very informal graduation for them. I understand that when C school is completed the "ceremony" lasts a little longer but still informal. I understand that family may attend. I will post more about this after I attend my son's graduation soon.
The one thing I can tell you is that I asked a few moms whose kids were already out in the field and they have all said that their sailors like what they do. It is a field that is vital to our security and gives them a wonderful background for other jobs after coming out of military service. Please tell your sailors thank you for their service and congratulations, they've earned it.
It sounds as though there are a lot of negatives here but it not really so bad and there is free time. It’s just better to be aware that they are still in the Navy and are basically on the job 24/7. Will post more later about the VB area.
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Permalink Reply by Jeano on
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HI Mary, and all fellow IS Moms,
To reply to your last couple lines...yes, family is allowed to attend C school graduations. They treat us like gold and encourage us to stay for the cake & refreshments after & mingle. I learned a lot about what was ahead for my son after graduation. And Dam Neck was a wonderful experience for us! If you get the chance, the Navy Lodge was a nice/clean place to stay! My son has been in the field for a year now. He's stationed overseas and you are correct, he LOVES what he does! Thank you to your son as well for his service! Although I'm not a new Navy Mom, (2-yrs) I'm new to N4M's and hope to hear from some other's about their experiences. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!
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Hi Jeano, our son graduated in Feb. of this year and is now in San Diego. He is scheduled for deployment in Sept. You mentioned that your son is stationed overseas. Is he on land or sea duty? It is good to hear that he loves what he is doing. Our son likes what he does also although lately he has been on galley duty. The C school graduation was indeed very nice and we were very proud of all of the graduates. Keep in touch. Sherry
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Sherry,
My son has been at GTMO for the past year. He's headed to SanDiego in Sept. as well. What ship is your son on? What does he do? If you go to my page...you can see pix from final swearing in @MEPS (when he was still a mop head) through C school and all his graduations. (DamNeck, Arizona and GTMO). --oh, and the last pix is my nephew (Army) who got a hug from Angelina Jollee(?) @Camp Liberty in IRAQ last week. (I know it's not Navy...but had to throw that in there too....Just as proud of our Army/AirForce and Marine soldiers too)! GOD BLESS ALL OUR TROOPS! -
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He is on the BHR (USS Bonhomme Richard) and is an IS. Your family has an awesome military history. Our son's grandfather was in Navy. We also say GOD BLESS ALL OUR TROOPS!
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Jeano,
Thank you so much for the reminder that I have not gone back and updated the info after my son graduated. I do agree it was nice. I do not remember the offer for refreshments but I was too interested in getting photos for other moms as well as of course getting pics of my sailor. Good luck and well wishes to all your sailors and soldiers.
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Permalink Reply by JM-ISmomx2 on
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Hi Ladies, Since all of your sailors have gone from PIR in Great Lakes to A & C school in DN were your sailors grad and go or did they stay the weekend or longer before they went to Virginia Beach? Any information would be helpful as we are coming from California to attend PIR and want to be as prepared as possible. Thank you, JackieM(Aub'smom) BC 9/22
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Jackie,
Much of it depends on the division he was placed in when he arrived at the airport in Chicago. When you get your grad pack from GL the front of it will have his name and division number on it and inside it will say something like this division leaves_____. Or it will say this is a grad and go. There will be something on there about grad and go but if the paragraph below the schedule of events says this division leaves on Sunday, etc. then you can be fairly certain that he will leave out with the division.
I asked Chris how the divisions were formed and he says that the majority of them are hit and miss. Fifteen come into the USO office at one time then it's "You! division 054, next! division 055, next! division 056, you! division 057!" until everyone scheduled to arrive that week has arrived and checked in. I believe Wendy's son, Jason, left on Saturday. He was as close to grad and go as I can recall but I'm not certain. It all varies by how many graduate, how many are going to each of the various locations, and when another class is expected to start, as to how long the Navy has to wait for a flight or books them on stand-by.
Sorry I can't tell you more it just varies too much. Plus we have all found out that often orders get changed on a moment's notice. He will know for certain when he gets written and signed orders. You can be about 90% sure when you get the grad pack. When Chris left on Sunday, they rolled out from GL at 5:00am to get them all to their flights. They report to the USO office on their way to their gates too. I suppose it works that way at Midway as well as O'Hare (if they even use Midway). If you need more help, ask...we will try to help. :) -
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Mary,
I really appreciate the information you have given me. And we know about hurry up and wait and orders changing as my husband was Air Force and that is the one thing that still drives him nuts ( waiting in lines). We will just have to wait for our daughter Aubrees' grad pack to get more information. We are almost at her 30 day. She goes in for that this week. Thnigs are moving fast and getting more exciting. JackieM(Aub'smom) -
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Our daughter had her PIR last Fri. Aug. 21. We spent Fri., Sat and most of Sunday with her. We flew back to Utah Sunday evening. She still wasn't sure on Sunday when she would leave for VA. She wasn't going to get final orders til this past Tues. So you never quite know all the details. So we are just mailing her cell phone and other things she needs when we get her address. Congrats to your sailor.
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Thanks so much for all this info. our daugter arrived in Virginia on Wed. She said classes hadn't started as yet because they had to wait for more sailors to arrive to fill up the class or something. She had her PIR on Aug. 21. It was great.
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sherriliz,
Congrats to your sailor! I know it is going to be such a relief to you and to her when she gets her phone. All shipments done as "insured" (not certified as the intructors will tell them) will get through security and go to the NEX for pick up. If it's not insured then it goes to the schoolhouse for pick up and is scrutinized by security. She will class up within a couple of weeks more than likely. The classes are small (I think they like to start with 20 but will sometimes start with less). The first couple of weeks she will be busy getting processed, going to medical and dental etc, then she will have duties, watches, maybe a two day finance class so her waiting time will pass quickly. She can go to the MWR, get on the computers over there and email home in the evenings. The MWR can also give her info about upcoming day trips and special events in the area. Once she gets off base for the evening, she can go to the NEX mall at Oceana.
She will do fine. School is intense but it is still a bit less emotional than bc. At least when she's had a really bad day she can call home for support (even if she can't tell you why she needs the support). Just having that contact with family means a lot. -
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Congrats sherriliz! And to your daughter :) PIR (8/21) was great. So good to see my son. He's doing good. He was able to get some calls out to me while I was still on the road home, and he arrived in VA for IS A school last Wed. Said he's got a little bit of time before class starts, which is good for him because he's getting his wisdom teeth out. He was set to have them out in BC, but it got cancelled because of some scheduling conflicts. So he's trying to get it taken care of before class starts. He's glad to be at the school. And I'm glad to finally be home after 2 weeks (13 states) on the road.. what a trip! :) Ironically we even stopped briefly in spanish fork too.
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