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Choose your Username.  For the privacy and safety of you and/or your sailor, NO LAST NAMES ARE ALLOWED, even if your last name differs from that of your sailor (please make sure your URL address does not include your last name either).  Also, please do not include your email address in your user name. Go to "Settings" above to set your Username.  While there, complete your Profile so you can post and share photos and videos of your Sailor and share stories with other moms!

Make sure to read our Community Guidelines and this Navy Operations Security (OPSEC) checklist - loose lips sink ships!

Join groups!  Browse for groups for your PIR date, your sailor's occupational specialty, "A" school, assigned ship, homeport city, your own city or state, and a myriad of other interests. Jump in and introduce yourself!  Start making friends that can last a lifetime.

Link to Navy Speak - Navy Terms & Acronyms: Navy Speak

All Hands Magazine's full length documentary "Making a Sailor": This video follows four recruits through Boot Camp in the spring of 2018 who were assigned to DIV 229, an integrated division, which had PIR on 05/25/2018. 

Boot Camp: Making a Sailor (Full Length Documentary - 2018)

Boot Camp: Behind the Scenes at RTC

...and visit - America's Navy and also Navy Live - The Official Blog of the Navy to learn more.

OPSEC - Navy Operations Security

Always keep Navy Operations Security in mind.  In the Navy, it's essential to remember that "loose lips sink ships."  OPSEC is everyone's responsibility. 

DON'T post critical information including future destinations or ports of call; future operations, exercises or missions; deployment or homecoming dates.  

DO be smart, use your head, always think OPSEC when using texts, email, phone, and social media, and watch this video: "Importance of Navy OPSEC."

Follow this link for OPSEC Guidelines:



**UPDATE 4/26/2022** Effective with the May 6, 2022 PIR 4 guests will be allowed.  Still must be fully vaccinated to attend.

**UPDATE as of 11/10/2022 PIR vaccination is no longer required.

**UPDATE 7/29/2021** You now must be fully vaccinated in order to attend PIR:

In light of observed changes and impact of the Coronavirus Delta Variant and out of an abundance of caution for our recruits, Sailors, staff, and guests, Recruit Training Command is restricting Pass-in-Review (recruit graduation) to ONLY fully immunized guests (14-days post final COVID vaccination dose).  


RTC Graduation

**UPDATE 8/25/2022 - MASK MANDATE IS LIFTED.  Vaccinations still required.

**UPDATE 11/10/22 PIR - Vaccinations no longer required.


Please note! Changes to this guide happened in October 2017. Tickets are now issued for all guests, and all guests must have a ticket to enter base. A separate parking pass is no longer needed to drive on to base for parking.

Please see changes to attending PIR in the PAGES column. The PAGES are located under the member icons on the right side.

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 First off ladies my heart goes out to you for supporting your love one's. It's not the end of the world to be classified undes. I should know I was way back in the 70's ha ha . I had the best times of my life in the Navy. My buddies were jealous as hell, I got orders for the West Indies paradise is what it  was. Anyways I have a daughter who will be joining the Navy soon. And this old salt will recommend the undesighnted way of life to her. Its good ole fashion on the job trainning. Gives them plenty of time to know what they really want. I'am sure I'll be on here again.

                                                                                               By David B.

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Great words from personal experience! I know they are helping me as my son is just now finishing boot camp. I was an OS and my husband was an ET - we know it can be rough (both of my brothers were undes). As with all things in life, it is what you make of it.
Hey Alley Cat, If he is seaman apprentice only he is S-PACT. Airmen are A-PACT. I believe there is an E-PACT too for engineering department. I do not think it is true that they get to try new jobs on a regular basis. All the people that I knew that were undesignated (seaman apprentice) were placed with a company based on the needs of the command - usually deck department or engineering (a-gang is what they were referred to on outer ship). They are able to strike for a rating after a period of time. My son was told 6 months but the reality after doing much reading is the time is more near a year. Many love being undesignated. There is plenty of time for you to learn this stuff. I am still learning as well, my son is in Temporary Holding and is S-PACT.
Temporary hold is what they call waiting. My son is waiting for an okay from an ENT (ear, nose, throat doctor) for a previously unknown condition. He completed boot camp 6/9 and will do his school at Great Lakes , pending Dr. orders. It is a little scary, and definitely is a change of pace! The good thing is, he is happy and doing something he chose.
Good luck with having patience through boot camp - not being in touch is hard, but always remember that no news is good news.
What rate did your son want to go with?

Non-rate E1's are automatically promoted to E2 after 6 months.

Non-rater E2's are automatically promoted to E3 after 6 months. 

Non-rate E3's are not eligible to take the Petty Officer rating e*am until they've been E3 for 6 months.

Non-rate E3's can become rated after passing the Petty Officer rating e*am in "open" ratings even if they PNA (pass but not advance) the e*am. In "controlled" ratings PNAing the e*am won't get them rated. So for "controlled" ratings they must pass the e*am and be advanced or they are still non-rates.

Non-rate is a derogatory term in the fleet. The Petty Officers use it as an insult. The non-rates call sailors who were advanced to E4 as a result of graduating "A" school "Rent-A-Crows". That is an insult too. "Rent-A-Crow" is an insult like "greenhorn" so it only applies for a time. "Non-rate " is used as an insult until the sailor has a rating, in most cases that means until they are E4's. (Petty Officer 3rd class)

The 3 categories are seamen, firemen, and Airmen.


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