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Undesignated & Unhappy
My husband dropped out of BUD/s and now he's an undesignated seaman. I moved to San Diego after he got his orders to his ship to be with him, but now the undesignated life has negatively impacted his attitude. He talks about how everyone on his ship is lazy, he tells me the mean things he says to others on the ship, and I feel like he's taking it home with him and not being very considerate/nice to me.
I 110% supported his decision to join the Navy and try to be a SEAL, but that didn't work out. Even after he dropped, he said it was probably for the best since we just got married. I understand that this is not the most ideal situation and it's very hard to do something that you don't want to do. At the same time I picked up and left everything behind for him and feel like I'm not getting any emotional support from him. It's hard being someplace new and feeling so dependent upon one person.
I have no family or friends in San Diego. No one really to talk to and it hurts to feel like I'm being taken for granted and not getting the same consideration in return for my own sacrifices. We haven't been married long and he's only been in for a year so we are still learning and growing. This is really taking a toll on me.
My husband is a dominant/confident male, so he's not the most emotional person and talking to him about this isn't the easiest thing. Does anyone have any advice?
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Permalink Reply by ddsweety on
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Wow, this is exactally what happened to me and my husband! My husband got stationed on the Boxer as an undesignated seaman right after he dropped out of BUDS. It was really hard for him because all he talked about was hating the people he worked with since they never worked and just complained all the time.
The best advice I have for you is encourage him and get him to start working towards something. Like getting his warfare pins. Once my husband started getting his pins he started to become more proud of himself. My husband also made it into the SAR on his ship and he loves that too because that keeps him swimming.
I completely understand what you are going through...it is really hard to be away from family too. I'm from IL and I don't have many friends here either. If you wanna talk let me know!
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Permalink Reply by hunter's mom kyann HOOYAH on
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I am so sorry this happened. My son was in the engineering program but ended up undes. Not really sure why but he's dealing with it. I just wonder if being dropped from a "more demanding" program makes it harder to deal with. My son has been in only for about 8 months.
So, anyway, my main suggestion for you would be to find a church. You should always be able to count on God's people to offer support. Also, you might try to see if there is a military support group there of any kind. I will pray that your situation gets better. My son says he feels like he has to do jobs that others should be doing but it seems to be getting better. He is based in japan and we are in ohio so our only communication is internet and sometimes phone.
Take care and hang in there.
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Permalink Reply by TropikalParadize on
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Hey there...I am also in SD, and my husband is an undes....only with my husband he hasn't even been able to TRY to become a SEAL.....BUDs is extremely difficult to get into right now, they are taking civilians from MEPS with SEAL contracts but hardly anyone from the fleet....so he has been trying to get into the program since Feb, even though his PST scores, and pretty much everything, are way above avg....I understand totally, mine really hates being on a ship, but luckily has found some AWESOME guys to hang out with in his division. Message me, it sounds like we have a lot in common!!
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Permalink Reply by jodybrock on
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INAVY- I am glad you reached out. You will at least get some support here, even if it is only "virtual". My son got dropped from SAR, and I think like the Seals, the guys are told they are the best of the best, as it is so pysically and mentally challenging. And they gt a bit of an attitude. That is self confidence they need as they progress through their programs. So the people, like my son and your husband, who mentally were in with this group, and now are not-- there is an attitude adjustment that needs to come with it. But most likely you won't be the one who can point that out... it will have to come from the sailors around him. Perhaps if he meets others who have been dropped from BUDS, who have better attitudes and are moving forward, that will bring him around. Marriage is hard. I imagine being a military wife is harder. Hang in there, and hopefully he will work this out, and realize that he is lucky that he has you and isn't going through this alone!
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Permalink Reply by Angie on
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Sooner or latter everyone is unhappy in the USN. Very small % make it though BUD's...people need to understand that...yes you can have a dream but reality is what counts!
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Thanks for the feedback. Does anyone know how long someone stays undesignated?
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What I heard was that sailors must stay undesignated for one year. They can apply for another job at that time, and if they are approved, and the job is available, they can move to that job.
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A year is right, my husband had to wait a year until he could start applying for a rate after being undesignated.
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My husband said the only rate other than boatsmans mate is OS. Neither sound rewarding. Anyone know if you can get accepted to the officer program if you strike these rates? Also, if he strikes a different rate or applies to the officer program can they change his orders? I just moved and really like it here and don't want to move again. I have a really good job and feel like if I keep bouncing around, I will not be able to have a career.
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For the Officers programs he needs to talk to his CCC to see if he qualifies. He can't strick for a rate that he isn't qualifed for or that isn't open. IF he gets approved for a new rate...or even the Officers program YES he will get new orders. He will have to go to school, than he will go to a new duty station, which could be the other coast. Sorry to say, but if he stays in the USN, odds are REALLY good he will be moving around. Might want to get used to that idea now.
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My husband wanted to respond since he just went through all of this. This is his responce - Yes he can get accepted to the officers program if he strikes for the rates. Thoes 2 jobs might be the only2 he is qualified for at this time. which is horrible because he is qualified for many jobs, its just what the "Big Navy" or "his ship" will let him have. each month he will get a new list of jobs he can strike for. but most of the time with undesignated or BUD/s drops they only offer thoes 2 with COOK or MM. If he strikes for OS he can rank up fast but will be board if he doesnt like being stuck in a dark room looking at a radar screen for hours on end. in port their jobs are easy but under way OS's work about 16 hour days. But striking for thoes rates will still alow him to put together a package for officer program. if he "strikes" for the rate, he does not have to wait 2 years to put in a package for officer. thats something the ship says to keep people on. For an "A" school he will have to wait until he has been on the ship for 1 year. At that time he can apply for an "A" school. Yes his orders will change if he gets approved for the officer program AND A school.
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That is false info about that is all they offer with undes or buds drops. They go off of FLTRIDE program which shows what is open, and what they Sailor qualifes for. YES it does change ever month.
As far as advancement fast...again that is false info. He is just going off of what he has seen, I have done stats for the Navy for years...it changes all the time how advancement is.
As far as the Officers package how long he has to wait, YES the ship CAN make them wait two years! WHY? The CO writes a letter and if hte command wants themt o wait two years or ___ they can. With out the CO's letter, stating s/he thinks the person will be a good officer...the officer package will be automatily disapproved. And no they can't go and get someone else to wirte the letter, per the instruction it must be the CO where the Sailor is stationed.
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