800 Divisions

Once the recruits arrive, those with contracts as candidates to Naval Special Warfare operator ratings are moved aside to be in the 800 division/s. Those ratings are SEALs or Special Warfare Operator (SO), Navy Diver (ND), Special Warfare Boat Operator (SB) or Special Warfare Combatant – craft Crewman (SWCC), Aviation Rescue Swimmers or AIRR, and Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD). There are usually only 25 or fewer 800 divisions a year, so not every TG will have one, but some TG's will have one or two 800 divisions.

We often see that loved ones of those in an 800 division receive "the box" and the form letter on the same day or within a day or so of each other and sometimes the form letter comes before "the box" because these divisions do not have to wait for P-days to be over to be formed since the recruits in these divisions are determined by their contracts before arrival. It is also very common for those in an 800 division to have 8 Fridays rather than the typical 9 Fridays that others do. Most 800 Divisions are Push Divisions. See Arrival and What Happens at the RTC.

Those in an 800 division do the same training that recruits in regular divisions go through and then they have a second PT (physical training) time each day when PT is scheduled so they have PT in the morning and in the afternoon. They also have regularly scheduled time at the pool for training in addition to the times that they would have pool time if they were in a regular division. They may learn and be tested in the Combat Swimmer Stroke (CSS) or be able to test using a freestyle stroke depending on the field they are going into. The SR's in an 800 division can receive an extra ration of food around midnight at the galley if they want it due to the extra calories that they burn due to the physical training that they go through. These recruits are not permitted to work out except during PT or IT (intensive training; extra PT given as a corrective action).

The 800 divisions go through Battle Stations-21 alone, with another 800 division if there are 2 or more 800 divisions in the TG, with the 900 division/s, or with a pair of brother divisions from the regular divisions. See Battle Stations-21 (BST). 

We often think of the 800 divisions as being all male divisions and most of the year that is true, but there are integrated 800 divisions at times because candidates for AIRR, EOD, and ND can be male or female.

Those with a recruit in an 800 Division need to be especially aware of OPSEC and PERSEC. (See OPSEC and PERSEC (Making Changes to Your Profile) for more information and make any changes at the bottom of that Page that you need to make. Changes 1 and 2 will tell you how to remove your name or that of your recruit from your Username and URL for your profile page and offers suggestions for making your Profile Page less obvious as to your identity and that of your recruit/Sailor and his/her special ops status, such as changing the ZIP code so that it does not reflect your hometown and not mentioning the rating that your recruit/Sailor is contracted for. Change 3 will tell you how to fix your Privacy settings--I suggest "Just My Friends." Change 4 deals with your profile picture--don't include one with your SR's face and to be even safer, don't use your own picture or that of any person who is associated with your recruit/Sailor.) It may be a good idea if you lurk within some groups and not post. Although there is a discussion within each PIR group for the 800 division/s that does not mean that you have to participate in it. N4M is not a private site and ANYONE with access to the internet can come on the site and see what is posted, so post very little about your recruit and later Sailor. There are groups on fB for the PIR groups and even some groups related to special ops training; it would a good idea to avoid those groups because if you join those groups, your profile information will be readily associated with someone who is a candidate for a special ops rating, including your name and hometown. (I delete comments on this page from people who indicate that they have a recruit in an 800 division once I have reason to believe that the question or comment has been answered or acknowledged.)

While s/he's in BC, if someone asks for his/her rating, you can mention that s/he will stay in GL (or will fly out) after PIR and just avoid the question. Later, you can truthfully say, "I don't know much about it."

If a recruit with a contract for a special ops rating arrives at MEPS and fails something (such as the vision screening) that is a requirement for special ops, but does not prevent him from being eligible for another rating, then that will be noted in the recruit's file and the recruit will be assigned to a regular division upon arrival at the RTC. The recruit will later meet with the detailer and will be given a new contract for a different rating that s/he qualifies for.

If a recruit in a regular division displays exceptional potential for special ops, s/he can be singled out and invited to attend PT and swim sessions to see if this may be something s/he is interested in. The choice to accept or decline the invitation is always his/hers. If the recruit accepts the invitation, s/he then remains with his/her same division, but attends the extra sessions with an 800 division. If it is determined that the recruit is suited for a special ops rating, then s/he will be offered a new contract, which s/he can choose to accept or decline.

Sometimes a recruit who was assigned to an 800 division will be removed from the division for various reasons, often related to the first PFA (physical fitness assessment). The recruit may also choose to Drop on Request (DOR) if s/he no longer feels that special ops is appropriate for him/her. When that happens the recruit will be placed in a regular division and later will meet with the detailer and will be given a new contract for a different rating that s/he qualifies for. Sometimes when this happens, the recruit will call a loved one to say that s/he has been moved to another division and that his/her address has changed. This is known as being ASMO'd (Assignment Memorandum; a change in what is happening with the recruit). This usually does not affect the PIR date, but if it does, you will be notified of that as well. If the PIR date does change, be sure to get the password to get the vehicle/gate pass because it will be different than the one for the previous date and you will not be able to drive onto the RTC without the vehicle/gate pass.

When recruits are ASMO'd, whether it's to go to SEPS to go home, to go to the RCU to recover from a sickness or injury, or to go to another division, the RDC most likely will say that the recruit has been ASMO'd and the others in the division will not know what has happened unless they happen to see him at the RTC during the course of training or at PIR or sometime later in the Fleet. This is due to confidentiality and/or HIPAA requirements. 

Many of the Sailors who were in an 800 division will stay at the Training Support Center (TSC) at Great Lakes following PIR for training prior to flying out for the next part of their training--only AIRR does not. See PIR Day and Liberty During PIR Weekend to help you know how to plan your weekend.

Aviation Rescue Swimmers (AIRR) candidates fly out to Pensacola, FL to Naval Air Station Pensacola, usually the day after PIR, where they first attend Naval Aircrew Candidate School (NACCS). Other groups you will want to join if your recruit is a candidate for this rating are Sailors In Pensacola, FL For A School....Corry Station too!! and Parents of A School Sailors in Pensacola. For those with a husband or wife with this rating, check out Spouses of Sailors going to A-school in P-cola. See PIR Day and Liberty During PIR Weekend to help you know how to plan your weekend.

The address to write to your SR is:

SR LAST NAME, FIRST NAME MI

SHIP 04 DIV 8XX

3600 OHIO STREET

GREAT LAKES IL 60088-7103

Here are some of the groups and the links for the Rating Information Cards associated with Special Ops ratings:

SEAL Groups:  Pre-BUD/S Moms      SEAL Moms      (Future or Present Navy Seals) Girlfriends, Fiancees & Wives

SEAL Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/usn/enlisted/rating_info_cards/so.pdf

SEALs info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/seals.html

Navy Diver Group: Mom's of Navy Divers      Mom's of Navy Diver Recruits

Navy Diver Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/usn/enlisted/rating_info_cards/nd.pdf

Navy Diver info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/diver.html

SWCC Groups: SWCC      SWCC Invitational      Headed for SWCC

SWCC Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/usn/enlisted/rating_info_cards/sb.pdf 

SWCC info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/swcc.html

AIRR Group: Moms of Aviation Rescue Swimmers      USN Search and Rescue Swimmer Moms      AIRCREW

AIRR Rating Information Cards: https://www.cool.navy.mil/usn/enlisted/rating_info_cards/aircrew.pdf

AIRR candidates will be assigned to a rating of Naval Aircrewman -Tactical Helicopter (AWR) or Naval Aircrewman - Helicopter (AWS) while in Naval Aircrew Candidate School (NACCS). Assignments will be based on the applicant's test scores, personal desires, needs of the Navy, and continued eligibility for the aircrew program.

     AWR: https://www.cool.navy.mil/usn/enlisted/rating_info_cards/awr.pdf

     AWS: https://www.cool.navy.mil/usn/enlisted/rating_info_cards/aws.pdf

AIRR info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/air-rescue.html

EOD Group: EOD

EOD Rating Information Card: https://www.cool.navy.mil/usn/enlisted/rating_info_cards/eod.pdf

EOD info on navy.com: http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/eod.html

Some people leave groups that they have previously joined and then rejoin them after joining the group/s for the rating so that the group/s for the rating are not on their profile page when others visit. You would need to have at least 5 extra groups if you do this. (Suggestions include Boot Camp Moms (and loved ones), your DEP group, your PIR group, Letter-Writing Navy Moms, PIR Reference Information, a group for your state, a group for a hobby, Molly's Adopt A Sailor, Care Package Ideas, or any other group that interests you.) Members would then have to click "View All" in order to see all of the groups when they visit your profile page. If you leave a group, be sure to add a group if needed to always have 5 groups on your My page that are not related to your SR's/Sailor's rating.

See http://sofrep.com/10103/becoming-a-navy-seal-swcc/ and http://www.sealswcc.com/ for more information.

If I have used a term or abbreviation that is unclear, What does ??? mean?  (A Guide to Navy Abbreviations and Terminology) should help; if not, please ask because if you have a question, someone else most likely does as well.

Here are the current groups that contain an 800 Division:

PIR 03/20/2015 TG 19 - 9 Divisions (113-118, 807, 808, and 919) (807 and 808)

PIR 04/10/2015 TG 22 (809)

900 Divisions

There is almost always a 900 Division in every TG. The 1 April 2011 TG did not have a 900 Division of its own. Sometimes there can be two or even three in one TG if RTC skips a week of PIR. One of the divisions will usually reflect the TG number, but not always. If there is more than one 900 Division, then they will be Brother Divisions. The 900 Divisions begin with Division 901, the division that begins training in the first week of October when the Navy fiscal year begins, and end with Division 952.

Once the recruits arrive, those with the Musician (MU) rating and volunteers who have prior music experience (band, choir, or other musical training) or drill team experience may join a 900 division. There are others who will be chosen for the 900 division by the RDC's during P-days or the first few weeks of BC. These recruits did not have a Musician rating or prior band/music or drill experience, but showed some aptitude for performance, such as military bearing. This is especially true for those chosen to be part of Ship Staff. Recruits with relatively high ASVAB scores have a better chance of being in a 900 division than those with lower scores since they will be better able to keep up with everything that is required of them than those with lower scores. The Recruits in a 900 division can have contracts for any rating except for those that are in an 800 division. Once assigned to the division, these recruits go through the same training as other divisions in addition to performance duties. They practice on Saturdays beginning with the Saturday after the division forms and sometimes (rarely) on Sunday afternoons if the need arises for an extra practice. From week 1 DOT (after p-week) until week 4, they practice every Saturday from 3:00 or 4:00 pm to 6:00 pm. Then beginning the Saturday going into week 5, they also practice on Monday and Wednesday and do a run through on Thursday, then they perform in the real PIR on Friday if there is one that week. They usually perform in two graduations before doing their own. The 900 divisions go through Battle Stations-21 alone, with another 900 division if there are 2 or more 900 divisions in the TG, with the 800 division/s, or with a pair of brother divisions from the regular divisions.

There are 3 types of 900 divisions. There are the Band/Bluejacket Choir/Drill team, otherwise known as Triple Threat (the musicians, singers, and drill team), the Sticks (those who carry the state flags), and the Ship Staff/Honor Guard (the body snatchers, those who guard various things...). Three 900 divisions perform their duties at each PIR, the 900 division(s) from that TG and if needed one to three 900 divisions from the next one or two TG's. Each 900 Division performs in their own PIR and usually in the PIR for one or two TG's ahead of their own if there is not a 900 division of the same type to perform in the TG/TG's. They may also have performances in the community--that happens mainly for the Triple Threat and Color Guard though. Those in a 900 division wear yellow/gold braided cords (ropes) called aiguillettes on their left shoulders with their dress blues and blue aiguillettes with their dress whites. This helps others to know that they have responsibilities to fulfill during PIR.

You may want to join the Group, 900's division sailors. There will be information on there that relates to your situation. Here is a site I found that explains about 900 Divisions, The Requirements for the Navy RTC 900 Division.

Watch the RTC’s fB page beginning 2 weeks before your SR’s PIR and you may catch a glimpse of your SR, but know that not all of the PIR ceremonies are photographed, so don't be disappointed if you do not see your SR. You will also want to watch the RTC's live stream of PIR beginning 2 weeks before your SR's PIR. The RTC streams PIR live beginning at 8:45 am CST on the day of PIR at http://www.livestream.com/usnavyrtc or http://navylive.dodlive.mil/. Check for any streams of the practices for PIR as well. They will also have the videos saved on there for a short time if people were unable to watch live or if you want to stop it to check out a particular recruit or Sailor more closely.

The PIR ceremony is conducted, with help, from the graduating 900 Division/s and one/two Jr. Divisions in their 7th and 6th week of training. Each incoming 900 division is assigned one of the responsibilities listed below, on a constantly rotating basis.

Ship Staff is in charge on PIR day. They greet and welcome the Officers and their distinguished guests as Sideboys. They play the role of "Body Snatcher" walking up and down the rows of Sailors, watching for and sometimes catching any Sailor about to or going down. (They lock their knees sometimes and pass out.) They help the Navy Corpsmen in the back room. They guard doors and perform a myriad of tasks behind the scenes and in front, such as directing people and helping those who require a wheelchair. It is their job to help make sure all goes smoothly. The Honor Guard Drill Team also does a rifle performance at the beginning of the ceremony. Since those in Ship Staff/Honor Guard have duties to perform before and during PIR, they do not march in through the doors when the other divisions march in on the day of PIR.
  
Sticks (Flags) does an incredible march perfectly timed and executed to the drum corps cadence. It is their job to present the flags for every state in the union. They are lined up by height, so the flow looks better, so your recruit will probably not get to carry his/her home state flag. They also honor those who have gone before by presenting the POW and MIA flags, as well as the US flag and the US Navy flag in the Color Guard.

Triple Threat is comprised of those who are on the Rifle Drill team and all those who were chosen for their musical abilities. The Blue Jacket Choir performs the National Anthem, Anchors Aweigh and anything else they've been tasked with. The band plays at various times throughout the ceremony. The Drum Corps also marches and helps everyone else stay in step and keep time. Those in a Triple Threat division will not march in with the other divisions since they will already be on the Drill Hall floor.

The address to write to your SR is:

SR LAST NAME, FIRST NAME MI 
SHIP 02 DIV 9XX

3600 OHIO STREET
GREAT LAKES IL 60088-7105  (60088-3156 will also work)

Is there an advantage to being in a 900 Division? It all depends on your point of view. Loved ones may catch a glimpse of the recruit in photos posted on the RTC’s fB page. The recruits in a 900 division get to interact with civilians more than those in a regular division if they are at extra PIR’s or events in the community. The recruits often begin working together as a team faster than those in a regular division, but not always. There is extra work involved since these recruits go through the same training that those in a regular division do as well as having the practices for PIR. There is nothing special after BC tied to being in a 900 division.

What do the "extras" in a 900 Division do? There are extras in each 900 division. They train just like everyone else in the division. They must be ready if called upon to take the place of a recruit who is sick or injured or who is otherwise unable to perform. Some of the extras help to clean the stands, Drill Hall, rooms used for preparation.... Some will be in charge of setting things up and putting things away before and after PIR. Some of the extras will be escorts and assist with seating those in need of wheelchairs or other assistance. Some will be "seaters" and direct guests to the appropriate section. (If you have a recruit who is one of the extras, please let me know what else the "extras" do. Thanks.)

Here are the current 900 Divisions:

NO PIR 02/13/2015 or 02/20/2015

915: Sticks (Flags): PIR 02/27/2015 TG 16 - Divisions (095-100, 915 and 916)

(Division 915 will also perform during the 02/06/2015 PIR.)

916 Triple Threat: PIR 02/27/2015 TG 16 - Divisions (095-100, 915 and 916)

(Division 916 will only perform during the 02/27/2015 PIR.)

917: Ship Staff/Honor Guard: PIR 03/06/2015 TG 17 - 7 Divisions (101-106 and 917)

(Division 917 will also perform their duties during the 02/27/2015 PIR.)

918: Sticks (Flags): PIR 03/13/2015 TG 18 - 7 Divisions (107-112 and 918)

(Division 918 will also perform during the 03/06/2015 PIR.)

919: Triple Threat: PIR 03/20/2015 TG 19 - 9 Divisions (113-118, 807, 808, and 919)

(Division 919 will also perform during the 03/06/2015 PIR and the 03/13/2015 PIR.)

920: Ship Staff/Honor Guard: PIR 03/27/2015 TG 20 - 11 Divisions (119-128 and 920)

(Division 920 will also perform their duties during the 03/13/2015 PIR and the 03/20/2015 PIR.)

921: Sticks (Flags): PIR 04/03/2015 TG 21

(Division 921 will also perform during the 03/20/2015 PIR and the 03/27/2015 PIR.)