What is Command Sponsorship and why is it so vital? (aka going to Japan)
UPDATE! UPDATE! UPDATE!
New regulation allows accompanied orders for E-3 and above! Used to be cut off at E-4 and above. Command sponsorship is still required, and the location must authorize dependents. (If I missed any changes in the body of the blog, please let me know so I can make edits).
https://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/messages/Documents/NAVADMINS/NAV2018/NAV18042.txt
News article:
I am blogging about this because it is information every fiance or newly married Navy spouse needs to know. Anyone with first hand experience, please add comments, and correct me if I have incorrect information or have forgotten an important detail.
When a sailor gets orders overseas, and I include Hawaii in this, he will receive orders which are either "Accompanied" or "Unaccompanied". Basically, with or without dependents. In order for the dependents to move overseas at the Navy's expense, they must be command sponsored. This is the approval from the sailors new command to have their dependents with them. It is far from automatic.
I cannot address every overseas command, but I do have many years of experience as an ET1/E-6 and as a dependent wife in Yokosuka, Japan. 12 years in Yokosuka, I learned a few things. I can give you the skinny on that, and then you will know what questions to ask for other countries and regions. I have read the regulations as they pertained to my junior sailors who worked for me and Navy wives who needed help.
Command sponsorship in Japan is granted to the dependents of sailors who are E-3 and above. E-2s and below can put in for waivers, but those are not routine and take time, months in fact. It is unusual for E-2s and below to have their families with them there. If a sailor does get their dependents approved, their overseas tour may be extended.
What does Command Sponsorship provide?
On base housing for E-3 and above. E-2 and below do not qualify for on base housing in Japan unless their command signs off on their marriage overseas. If not sponsored, the sailor still will receive the with dependents rate for OHA. Junior sailors attached to ships will need to request permission to live off base. COLA may be authorized, but it might not be. Still looking for a current regulation on that.
(BAH = basic allowance for housing, overseas it is OHA)
(COLA = cost of living allowance to offset the expensive areas)
Travel: the Navy pays for the plane tickets for you, to and from. If not sponsored, you pay your own way. Concurrent travel means you travel with your sailor.
TLA: temporary lodging allowance. Pays for up to ten days of hotel rooms or Navy Lodge while looking for an apartment. Not sponsored? Nope, none for you.
Household Goods Shipment: to and from. This is important as single/unaccompanied sailors has far less of a weight allowance. Learn the term "geographical bachelor". That's what your sailor will be if you cannot go overseas.
EML leave: Travel back to the states to visit home of record. We had trips home between PCS orders even though we stayed in the same house in Japan.
Jobs: The on base jobs are offered pretty much only to command sponsored dependents. Off base you cannot legally work without a work visa.
Schools: dependent children who are not command sponsored must pay full tuition to attend DOD schools on base. It ain't cheap.
Visas: Command Sponsorship guarantees you are under the SOFA agreement for immigrant residency. Not being sponsored means you have to struggle with tourist visas and getting permission to reside in country. Without this visa, you must leave the country every 90 days. If your sailor is in Italy, not only must you leave, but you must stay out of the EU for a minimum of 30 days.
Personal mail box on base... this changes, I need updated info if anyone has it.
Without sponsorship you will have your ID card and access to base facilities such as the commissary, the NEX, MWR, and medical. They cannot refuse to treat you at medical, but basically you are on standby.
You are not eligible to ship pets unless you are command sponsored.
Do you need a passport? Yes. The sooner the better. Don't wait until you are married, you can always do a name change.
Do you need to clear overseas screening? Yes, this is mostly health and debt and criminal background checks. And immunizations.
Can't I just go? Sure, if you think you can afford it and want to deal with being on a tourist visa. A rental offbase cost more than an E-2 (or even an E-3) makes in a month. Over $2,000, easily.
http://www.usui-home.com/navyus/
Hard cold facts about living offbase in Japan: You will live offbase in a tiny apartment. Nothing like you have experienced in the US, even the floors and appliances are different. If you find a place with appliances! We heated our tiny house with kerosene heaters and slept on the floor. Furnishing a Japanese apartment is not simple, you can't use your furniture if you didn't get a household goods shipment. You can't fit most American furniture into a Japanese apartment anyway. (Houses are few and far between, we got lucky). Rent and utilities are extremely high. Can you afford a car? Insurance? International phone? Internet? Not on the pay of a junior sailor! I promise you that. Gas was $10 a gallon when I left Japan. The dollar is low and weak right now (80 yen to the dollar, 2012).
I never met the wife of an E-2 or below who was happy trying to live on the economy. Never. One was nagging the chaplain to get her sailor a humanitarian discharge because she wasn't able to pay her rent and was lonely when he deployed. Another was sleeping on the couch of a friend. It is a hard life, no kidding around, straight up fact.
If there is room in on base housing, a sponsored family will not have the option of renting offbase.
I'm not pushing for kids to get married just to get on the orders, but it is food for thought. Also, a sailor can still be sent overseas even if they are married and the spouse must stay behind.
I'm bumping this because I've been asked about moving overseas by several new spouse and a fiance recently. It is depressing, and more depressing is I rarely hear back from them with what happens. Did they get their waiver? Did it work out? I wish all the couples the very best, and know they have huge obstacles ahead.
sailorwifenmom
Some other things to keep in mind, just because your Sailor has a friend in a different branch if service, and they are allowed to take their family doe not mean the Navy will. The base we just moved from, also in Japan, had Army, Navy, and Air Force. The Air Force allowed their E-3 and below to bring families. Navy did not. Nor did they grant any waivers. You could apply, but I don't know of any that were granted in the 3 years I was there, and with the volunteering jobs I had / working with the spouses I did, while not certain, odds are good I would have heard.
Also, while I don't want to get too into this for security and OPSEC purposes, getting onto base isn't as simple as showing your ID anymore. They have systems in place that basically tell them if you are supposed to be there. So, you could have problems even getting onto base to, say, meet at a friend's house, if you aren't sponsored and don't have your Sailor with you.
You will not be allowed to drive. SOFA status people (which will include your Sailor) have to have a Y plate vehicle. They are not allowed to rent a car "out in town" (they can rent one on base), and this rule has been enforced more in recent years. If you are not SOFA status, you cannot have a 4EJ (military issued license to drive in Japan). If you get caught driving a Y plate car without a 4EJ, it's a diplomatic mess. PLUS - there are restrictions on the number if cars you are allowed to own. Accompanied, 2 cars, 3 if you can prove a need and get a waiver. Some bases say 1 car for accompanied. Unaccompanied, 1 car, no waivers or exceptions, and some bases say below a certain paygrade aren't allowed to own a car.
Most importantly - you might think "what are the odds of this", but trust me, it DOES happen. When or if a major natural disaster strikes - like yrs ago when the volcano erupted in the Phillipines, or, more recently, like the quake, tsunami, and nuclear meltdown that happened in Japan while I was there, if you are NOT there on SOFA status, you are NOT the military's problem as far as evacuating you. And trust me, there are few things scarier than being in a foreign country when a major disaster strikes. Everyone is trying to leave, the situation is very fluid, there's a lot of craziness going on. If you are there as a SOFA member, the military will get you out if need be (or, in the case of Japan, some - like pg women, were asked to leave and others were given the choice). The military set up and paid for them getting out of Japan and back home. Those not on SOFA had to make their way to the Embassy (which, in our case, was 12 hrs by car, through the area hit by the tsunami, past the epicenter of the quake and required you to drive within a few miles of the reactor...) and ask for help (just like any other expat or tourist), or fly out on your own.
Seriously, I would strongly advise anyone thinking about going overseas with their Sailor, without sponsorship, to NOT do it. It's like a trapeze without a net. It can be fun, but if you fall, there's nothing to catch you...
Nov 13, 2012
Anti M
Thank you for the additional info. I'd completely forgotten Y plates. In Yokosuka, we just didn't need a car at all. Hubby had a Harley though. Paid $30 a month to park it down the stairs from our house.
How about emergency leave, when the sailor needs to go home? He flies on the space A flight, but a non-sponsored dependent would have problems getting back home. Is that still correct?
If anyone has experience with Bahrain, Spain, Italy, Guam or Hawaii, can you add insights? Or do your own blog? It would help many future spouses.
Nov 13, 2012
sailorwifenmom
OH - and even if you are able to be seen at the base for medical, if something comes up (such as recently when a couple of Airmen crashed their car) and you end up in an off base hospital, that is also a diplomatic and insurance mess.
Not to mention when you transfer... Right before we left, there was a Sailor who was in my husband's department who got on the PE (as per his orders) to fly back to the States. His wife flew to Tokyo to fly out commercial to join him. He was in the air, and she was detained at customs at the airport, because there was a problem with her paperwork. She was posting all over the message boards for there, and calling his command (thank goodness my husband had just turned over the Department so we could Pcs as well, so he didn't have to deal with it) but there wasn't anything the base could do except direct her to the embassy. Her husband was in the air and had no idea she wasn't going to be meeting him in Seattle as planned....
Living overseas is great - we've done it multiple times and I've loved each one, and would do it again in a second. But, it is NOT something I would ever encourage someone to do as a military family without SOFA status. Because basically you become either an expat or, frankly, an illegal alien, if you do. Neither of which has the protection that SOFA gives you.
Nov 13, 2012
LovesASailor
Hello,
My husband recently received orders to Yokosuka :))) he is an E3 so I am realistic as to the time frame (that he has to reach E4) for me and our daughter to be able to achieve Command Sponsorship and meet him there. His tour is 36 months which, in turn will be good for our family as it will give plenty of time for him to meet his quals and for paperwork.
My question is, is it possible on my end to start the paperwork for the medical screenings? it is my understanding that it is quite thorough and alone can be time consuming. Also, I have been reading about the EFMP screenings. Is this the same as the medical screening? If it is possible to get myself checked out and good to go on my end, who should I contact?
Thank you so much, from all of the research I have been hearing both from families and sailors they love Japan :)
May 8, 2014
Anti M
I do not think they will let you begin the screening until he puts in for the command sponsorship. The screening itself can expire, so it is best to wait. This is something he will need to verify when he talks to his new command about bringing you over. Even though he is an E-3, he should begin asking the day he checks in, or even begin talking to his sponsor before he arrives. You can get the forms, know what is on them, line up your personal records, but do not begin making doctor appointments too soon. It all takes time, so no need to get too far ahead.
May 9, 2014
Anti M
Okinawa is so beautiful. I was TDY there a couple times, and although I was in the barracks, I enjoyed it. Thank you for being a sponsor, that is such an important duty and important to do it well so the new families start off right.
Jun 16, 2014
LovesASailor
Hi @Anti M! My husband received his promotion to E4! I go in for my Overseas Clearance Interview next week. Do you know what department or who my husband needs to talk to in order to submit everything for CS?
Nov 14, 2014
Anti M
He begins the paperwork with his chain of command, and they should direct him to the right people (PSD primarily). Eventually there are several different departments involved, they should give him a checklist.
Nov 22, 2014
abigailann19
Hello Anti M, my fiancé is currently in Yokosuka Japan (Has been for a year and a half now). He is an E-3, taking his E-4 test in march of 2015. (Only 3 months) We planned on getting married in a few weeks while he is home in the states on leave, however we are now hesitant because getting Command Sponsorship is looking like a big gamble right now. The reason we were talking about getting married now, rather than waiting until he is out of the Navy and home for good, was so i could move there and live with him. I went out there two months ago and stayed with him for a few weeks and i fell in love with the city. Also if we were denied command sponsorship, i do not want him to lose his barracs room and have to sleep in his rack on the ship. However i heard something about him being able to stay in his room if he paid rent, if we were not granted sponsorship. Is this true or have you ever heard of this? Should we wait? After reading all of these posts I'm even more nervous about the out come of this. Any suggestions or advice is appreciated. Thank you
Dec 11, 2014
Anti M
If you marry, and you have to stay in the US, you would get BAH for your location, and he would keep his barracks room. It is called geographic bachelor. So it makes sense financially to marry, even if you cannot go there. I know personally it can be difficult on a new marriage, but is not impossible to make it work. I was apart from my husband the first two years we were married, and now we are approaching our 28th anniversary. Talk it over with your sailor.
If he has already been there a year and a half, he would have to extend his tour once command sponsorship was approved. If he does not have enough time in the Navy left, he'd either have to re-enlist, or extend. (if I am reading your post correctly).
Do not give up hope, there are a couple wives who have had to wait in the US until their sponsor made E-4, and then got approval for Italy, and one is getting ready to go to Japan. This has been within the last six months, so it looks like things are opening up a bit.
Dec 11, 2014
Anti M
Your situation is unique, so I really don't have those answers. I don't think where you marry matters, as long as it is legal and he can register you as his dependent.
Apr 20, 2015
Ltwjm0206
Hi everyone! I'm just reading about this and I didn't know that spouses could be stationed separately. Does this happen often? What ratings usually get stationed overseas? If one doesn't put an overseas base on their list, are they less likely to go overseas? Thank you!
May 8, 2016
Anti M
Almost every rating can go overseas. If we have ships and bases, we have nearly every type of sailor stationed there.
Yes, it is possible for a mil-mil couple to be stationed apart. They can put in a special form and request orders together, and the Navy will try, but the needs of the Navy come first. My husband and I were stationed apart the first two years we were married.
A sailor fresh out of A school can put whatever they like on their dream sheet, and the detailer tries to some extent to match dream sheets to the orders to be filled, but the job always comes before the preferences of the sailor.
If they're married to a civilian, they are slightly less likely to go overseas because dependents cannot always go. But again, the needs of the Navy come first. If orders come up and there is only one sailor to fill the billet, that sailor goes, married or not, wanting to go or not.
May 9, 2016
Ltwjm0206
Anti M, I was not aware not mil-civilian spouses could be stationed separately. I did a lot of research before he enlisted and I never knew this. I don't think I would have agreed to this if I had known that we'd be a part for so long. Were you and your husband both military?
May 10, 2016
blackbirdmom
If the sailor is still in A school, but has his orders, does it matter if he gets married while still in A school or waits until on leave before he reports to his duty station? The orders are for Hawaii, and the sailor does not really want to get married in A school (there will not be a wedding, just the JOP ceremony). He wants to get married, but just wanted to do it at home. I'm not concerned about the actual costs of moving, as they have nothing. They would not have anything to move if it were a stateside duty station. We can pay for the plane ticket to Hawaii. I just want them to be able to have a roof and eat while they are there. :-) From what I'm reading, if they marry while he is on leave, our FR has to check in and then ask for a waiver for command sponsorship because his rank is less than E-4. There is the screening process to go through after that. Our sailor is telling us he can't even get married until he gets permission from his duty station sponsor. If that is so, then how are others getting married while still in GL at A school? We are aware it could take months, or a year, or longer, to get a waiver, even if one is granted. Just trying to get all of our ducks in a row before, and do things the best way we can. I appreciate all the help!
Jun 18, 2017
Anti M
In this specific case, the A school marriage is too little, too late. Once the orders are issued, it is unusual for the Navy to change them from unaccompanied to accompanied. Might as well wait. The timing on A school marriages is generally a minimum of four weeks before orders are expected to be issued.
Training and school commands do require a special request chit when a student sailor marries. This is to screen for fraudulent marriages, security clearance issues, and to send the young sailor to a class or counseling. However, once he is out of school, he is a legal adult and can marry without the Navy's permission. He does NOT need to wait for permission from his new duty station. They'd chuckle over him asking.
He is only an E-1? Congratulations and best wishes on his marriage, but bluntly and realistically, the young couple may be looking at a long distance marriage initially. Lots of couples manage it, so they should have a plan in place in case the command sponsorship is denied. My husband and I married when we were both E-6 and spent the first two years of our marriage apart, as we each already had orders. Just know it can work out, as we've been married 30 years now. Tell them to hang in there, sometimes it is not easy, and the wait feels like forever, but it is worth it in the end!
Jun 19, 2017
blackbirdmom
We know the orders won't change, and they are going to marry anyway. The rules for marrying right after BC or in A school make sense. They will get married while he is on leave, and then wait. I'll tell him about not having to ask for permission from his sponsor, but I'm sure he'll ask anyway. LOL He likes to play by the rules and err on the side of caution.
He will be E-2 shortly, I think. I'm not sure how that part works, so I could be wrong on his rate. They have been together for almost 4 years, waiting a little longer won't hurt them, And I was looking for blunt and realistic. I don't want either of them to get their hopes up that she can be there in a certain length of time when it probably won't happen. He can start the process, she can do her part, and it will work out in the end. And we can visit in the meantime. Not as often as we could had he been stationed on the East coast, but we will still visit.
Thanks so much for all of your help with my questions.
Jun 19, 2017
Anti M
@ Ltwjm0206 ... dual military couples most certainly can be stationed apart. It is to be expected at some point. In fact, if you read the regulation, first term sailors are not even eligible for spouse co-location. Oh, the detailer may try, but there are zero guarantees. And if the couple are not in the same branch, then they are even less likely to be near each other.
My husband and I were both ET1 when we met and married. We met on Diego Garcia. He had orders to a ship out of Sasebo, I got orders to Yokosuka. Same country, but outside liberty limits. He could not come see me unless he took leave, and that was not possible often, given the ship was usually in the Persian Gulf. Even when he did get orders to be near me, out schedules rarely lined up. After two years, I was ready to re-enlist, but there were no billets for me there. I would have had to go to California while he stayed in Japan for three more years. I did not re-enlist, and became a dependent wife instead of a Navy chief. I'm curious what research you did that was so positive. Being dual mil is very, very hard.
Jun 20, 2017