Ship 5 Moms(Formerly Ship 17)

JenBo, cnwolfe ask your hubbies if if they now SR Nutter who is also in Ship 5.  Thinking they do, he's a people person and likes getting to know others, makes friends easily.  He's a jokster, so he usually sticks out.

Stephany, Talked with my son yesterday about what he was wearing home.  He said he gets to keep his boots, sneakers and smurfs and that's it.  His work uniform and parka get turned back in, not sure if they get to keep raincoat. 

Stephany,  Those are they're SMURFs, the clothes that were issued to them in processing, they were also issued sneakers and boots, they also keep.  I'm surprised they were sent home because when I talked to my son he said that is the only clothing items they will keep and will be wearing those home.

Kelly, I asked my husband and he does know of your son. Apparently he has the nick name Nutter Butter? Haha. He said he seems like a nice guy but never really talked to him. I let him know so maybe he will try and talk to him more now. My husband made a couple friends but he said they flew home a few days after he arrived. I don't feel very comfortable sharing his last name just for the sake of his privacy, but if you want me to ask him about your specific SRs I can do that. :)

Kelly, my husband knows your son, too! But lol he said they have like a crude nickname for him... a play on "Seaman Nutter" lol :) He said he's nice and is really chill; I got off the phone with my husband just a minute ago, and he's going to go talk to him tonight :)

Jen Bo and cnwolfe  the nicknames they have for my son are ones that people at home have called him.  He always gets the nutter butter nickname.

@sixft... That's awesome news. But I know you already knew that he was gonna pass with flying colors... What kind of an idiot is going to give an asthma test to someone who is sick and already has compromised breathing? What a dork!!

Anyway... glad the tests came thru clean and clear. Good luck with the next steps!

Kelly, my husband called and told me that he and your son were working together the other day at the firefighting class site to get out of the compartment. He told me he talked to him more then and that he's a really cool guy. :) He also said that other SEPS people who went to legal the day before him (last Thursday) are on the departure list for Wednesday. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he ends up on the departure list for Thursday, which will be posted today.

SG- Welcome to the group, and sorry for the circumstances! I know it was so tough for my husband at first. It's hard to convey to them that they shouldn't feel that they disappointed anyone! He did something pretty amazing by simply being willing to join and go through the hardships of RTC. I hope that he finds his new path soon and that it's even better than what the Navy could have offered him!

Oh man, you guys. Today I got some disappointing news. My husband was finally able to call me just to tell me that he's not on the departure list for Thursday or Friday. I was so confident he would be since other people had departed that went to legal around the same time he did with the same code and everything. He mentioned that SEPS is getting a huge influx of people, which I can only assume is a result of the financial cuts made to the military. They're looking for any little reason to kick people out right now. They're even separating people who were in holding after graduation waiting to go to A School in Great Lakes. The irritating thing is that despite them literally running out of room for these newcomers, they only managed to put three people on the departure list for Thursday. THREE! I don't work there, so I don't know exactly what happens between legal and buying a plane ticket for a separated recruit, but I can't imagine that it's so difficult that they can only send three people home in one day. I'm seriously hoping that it's an incomplete list and they wake him up tomorrow morning telling him he gets to go home, but it's the military, so I can't bet on that happening. I don't see how the Navy can be so strapped financially that they are rationing uniforms but still lollygag around while they pay, feed, and house so many people that just want to go home and figure out what they're going to do next. I called legal and (politely) informed them that he is still not listed to depart and has a job waiting for him, so he needs to get home ASAP. I know it will probably just be ignored, but I'm hoping that it helps. Sigh... I just don't know what to do. I hate seeing my husband get strung along by them and punished for what other people at SEPS are doing. I can hear in his voice how much he wants to go home. At first, he was able to contact me several times a day. Now, he is lucky to get one short phone call because of others acting up and ruining it for everyone. This is so frustrating. All he wants is to be home so he can figure things out and he's been waiting so patiently, but they haven't granted him that yet. Sorry, ladies, but I just had to rant. I'm sorry if those of you with recruits in SEPS are experiencing the same thing right now. It's not fun, that's for sure.

SG so sorry for your husband being in SEP.  Tell him it's not his fault, sounds like they're sending people home for the slightest problem.  My son is being sent home also, he was so disappointed, but God has other plans him and your boyfriend.  There is something he needs to be home for and some thing different he needs to do with his life.  Good luck to both of you.

JenBo so glad to hear that your husband and by son were able to go work.  My kid is so tired of sitting around.  He is not one to spend much time just hanging around doing nothing.  As far as I know my son hasn't been to legal yet,he's been there just over a week now.  So glad both were able to get out and that they have connected, it will help both pass the time.  I so agree with you that they need to move people through SHIP 5 faster.  My kid said there were no PIRs this past weekend or this coming weekend so the captain should be able to concentrate on paper work to get this men home.  I am glad they are getting paid while in SEPS but what a waste of resources.  Financially the Navy is having a hard time but they have over 140 men just sitting around.  If they are able to work let them!  But most importantly get them outta there and home so they can move on with their lives.  My son must love having to be punished because of screw ups arriving at SEPS.  He had told me last week everyone at SEPS was doing what needed to be done so they were able to have a few extra privilages and they were being able to call home everyday.  I haven't heard from him since Sunday night and was getting worried, now I know it is because they are being punished because of others.   Thanks for the info. Hope your husband is on his way home very soon with my kid on his way also.  God bless you and your boyfriend. 

Kelly, I'm glad they've met, too. It helps to know some good people around Ship 5. Don't worry about the lack of communication. They are pretty much on lock down right now. I know my husband basically has had to fight tooth and nail to call me lately. It's ridiculous. That's one thing he was dreading about boot camp, living the consequences of other people's actions. Now it's happening ten fold. They haven't been allowed to go to the lounge at all or the NEX for longer than a half hour because certain individuals are getting into serious trouble at those places. Just because they have nothing to lose with the Navy doesn't mean they have the right to ruin it for everyone else AND make their families suffer. We both just want him to be home so badly and he needs to come home soon for that job. I'm about ready to buy my own ticket for him if that's the Navy's issue, even though it shouldn't be our responsibility paying after he was kicked out for such a silly reason. When your son arrives home, please tell him thank you for taking some time with my husband. I'm sure it has helped him. I hope he can go to legal very soon and finally get on with his life outside of the Navy.

It's times like these that should make us all glad that our loved ones dodged the bullet of joining the military. Things are going to be really tough for lower ranked enlisted for a while. Seats are going to be cut and they could be discharged for any little reason the Navy digs up. I really hope everyone in SEPS finds a better path and realizes that it'll be for the best, even if it doesn't seem like it at first. If your son or daughter wasn't eligible for FAFSA as your dependent, their time in boot camp will make them an independent student whether or not they still live with you as they are considered a veteran when it comes to financial aid. It would be great if they could get help going to school because of this experience. Keep moving along. I know the process is drawn out and frustrating at times, but they will be home eventually and it will be a wonderful day. I just focus on the day that I can pick my husband up from the airport. Our goodbye before boot camp is an incredibly painful memory, so it will be nice to cry happy tears this time. 

Yay! Got a call today, my husband will be home on Monday! It's later than I had expected, but now I can stop wondering and focus on getting through the weekend.

JenBo, I know spending time with your husband has made being in SHIP 5 easier.  I also know that the time they spent at the fire science site made my boy very happy.  Please thank your man for me for getting to know my son.

So very happy for you that your husband will be home Monday! 

Kelly, I'll pass it along! My husband said Nutter is one of the best people he's met in SEPS. He mentioned where your son is from (literally as far away as you can get from where we live in the continental US, lol) so I suggested he exchange contact info with him. Has your son gone to legal yet? I was told that they are sending 12-15 people home on Monday, as opposed to 3 people today, so it looks like they're finally trying to get them out a little faster. Hopefully that will minimize the amount of time your son spends in Ship 5. My husband got a job helping out the organization petty officer, OPO, with confiscating and organizing all the newcomers' things. They literally have to take away their sewing kit so they don't stab anyone... Good old SEPS. I'm not sure if your son is in on that as well or not, but if not maybe he can ask about it. He said that it's helped to pass the time a lot and they need help with all of the new people coming in.

Thanks for the info JenBo, I'm sure if my son had the opportunity to work, no matter what it is he would jump at the chance.  I don't know if he has been to legal yet.  Have not heard from him since Sunday.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he will be one of the 15 leaving on Monday.

My husband called this morning and I asked him about your son, Kelly. I was told he went to legal either this past Thursday or Friday and that it would be safe to say that the Monday after this next one would be the very latest he'll be home by. He says it's still really hard to get to a phone, but he's been there a while and figured out what times to try getting a call. Apparently there are 170 recruits in SEPS now with big batches coming Monday and Tuesday. Their reasons for separating them are getting more and more insignificant. It really makes me wonder. 

JenBo, Thanks for the info! M y son called today and he said the same thing, next Monday for sure but could be any time from This coming Wed until next Monday.  I told him to hope for this week but be prepared to be there until next Mon.  Please thank your husband fo me, and I thank you too.  You must be getting really excited for Monday, when your husband will be home.  I will keep you both in my thoughts that he has a quick easy and safe trip home.

Kelly, no problem! I'm glad your son was able to call today. A week is a long time with no contact in SEPS. Thank you for the well wishes. I can't wait for him to be back! I've been so antsy since I found out his departure date. Why isn't in Monday yet? lol! He got his itinerary today, so I know exactly when he'll be home a full two days beforehand! I'm in awe. Usually they don't know until the night before or morning of.

SG, my husband went through the same thing... he said that people that got there 4 days later than him are already going home. It's really not fair how they pick and choose. He said it seems like the new people are going through faster since the influx. Is there anything pressing he needs to be home for? I've heard of recruits telling the SEPS admin about a job waiting at home which may light a fire under them to get him processed quicker. If he's been in for a full week he should have already gone to legal or should in the next couple of business days. It seems like in the military you have to be willing to be the squeaky wheel to get things done, from MEPS all the way to SEPS. Haha. If it doesn't happen soon, I would personally talk to somebody if I were him. 

Also, I wanted to mention that I've noticed that certain cases take longer than others. Asthma seems to be the worst since it has to be tested. Anything that requires testing will lengthen the process. Mental health cases usually seem to be processed before physical health cases. These are just things I've read and picked up from things my husband has said, but it may help explain if your loved one's time at Ship 5 seems to be dragging out longer than others. 

SG, My son was told he could be in SEPs for up to 3 weeks when he first went to SEPS.  Wondering if the new SEPS members have mental health issues, so get to go home sooner.  Since the influx of new members there has been a lot of punishment being dealt out.  My son told me they are spending 4 hour time slots just sitting on the floor because of someone horsing around or not doing what needs to be done.  He said it was much better before they had so many men. When he first went to SEPS there were 140 men in SHIP 5 and everyone was disciplined and they were getting a lot of extra privileges but not now.  He told me they now have 3 compartments.  With so many more coming in on Monday and Tuesday the Navy is really going to need to send men in larger groups to free up space.  Tell your boy to hang in there, he will be home soon.  My son bought a watch at the NEX with the 2 time zones and the day and date.  He said that has helped.  He also told me they have to take SEPS members to the NEX 2x week so they can make calls at that time.  I will pray your son is headed home soon.

SG inbox me and I will let you know who my kid is and maybe you can have your son connect with him.  Having someone they can hang out with has made a big difference for my son.  JenBo's husband has been that someone for my son.  My kid makes friends where ever he goes so he may be a good connecton for your son until he (my kid) comes home in the next week or so.

Hi all, new to this site my son was sent there on Tuesday for a medical condition we were completely unaware of. I only got the voice mail haven't heard from him since I am extremely upset after reading all the posts about the treatment that is happening on Ship 5. Many of our family members are there through no fault of their own. If they are there because of Mental Health issues or disipline reasons they should be in separate areas. I always respected the military now I'm starting to rethink my reasoning. Sorry for sounding so gruff but I find this not knowing extremely upsetting.

Hi teacher/mom, I'm sorry that your son has been sent to SEPS. It's not a pleasant environment a lot of the time, but if he can manage to make some normal friends ("normal" people do exist in ship 5!) it will help him greatly. I agree that disciplinary separations should be, well, separated, but mental separations aren't always what they seem. Many of them are being separated for having the blanket issues of "anxiety" and "depression" whether they truly have it or not. It seems like if the recruits is to express nervousness or sadness of any kind they'll use that as a window of opportunity. This is not what my husband is separated for, but I've heard enough to form a theory on the matter. Don't get me wrong, there are some real crazies in Ship 5 from what I've heard, but it seems like the majority are pretty mentally stable and are just assigned an invisible ailment to detract one less paycheck from the Navy's budget. Haha, as you can see, I can relate to your anger about the situation. What makes me the angriest are the actions of some of some of these recruits and how they are used to punish everybody. I've heard so many ridiculous stories within the past couple of weeks. Even though these people aren't allowed to be in the military anymore, they treat them like they are still in training as far as mass punishment goes. But, instead of being IT'd they have to sit or stand on a line for a number of hours because one person did something stupid. It sounds like they treat them ALL like they're in some twisted psychiatric ward sometimes. Believe me, it irritates me to no end as well. 

Angie, I think it is reasonable to be suspicious that this extreme increase in separated recruits is in response to the recent budget cuts made to the military. I am going by what my husband in separations has said, so take it for what it is. He has said that they now don't even have enough room for the amount of people coming into Ship 5 and the reasons for these separations are getting more and more insignificant by the day. When he was still in training, they started taking away half of recruits' uniforms to give out to new recruits because apparently the Navy could not pay for new ones. I guess things really are that bad. In the long run, separating these recruits will save them money rather than keeping them in the military and continuing to pay their salaries for years while they find something for them along with current sailors of newly dry docked ships something to do. A lot of the "children" in separations know they have nothing to lose now and are therefore acting out and making others suffer for their actions. If they were actually going to enter the military, this is an understandable tactic. If someone in the military screws up, people can die. But these people are not going into the military, they're just want to go home and figure out plan B. Things rarely work that way in the outside world. Everyone is responsible for their own individual choices and actions. When your loved one is being thrown out of the Navy and they can't contact you for a week because someone "overdosed" on energy drinks at the NEX, it's frustrating. I've heard of separated recruits sneaking out of the compartments at night all the way to punching others in the face completely unprovoked... It's just incredibly frustrating when your loved one who is put in such a bad situation is punished further. It's nearly dehumanizing how they are punished in ship 5. They make no distinction between the trouble makers and the ones that are just trying to lay low and get through the day. When you loved one changes their life and sacrifices everything to serve their country and suddenly get their dreams crushed, you have to understand the anger that comes with that. Whatever the cause, asthma, an injury, etc, it's not their fault. A lot of them wanted this more than anything. I'd say the "failure to adjust" types are a minority in SEPS. I know you have a lot of respect for the military and are trying to defend it, but we're just expressing our feelings about what has happened to our loved ones. I'm not trying to slander the Navy, they have to do what they have to do and I'm sure we all understand that. But that doesn't mean that we are going to be perfectly fine with it, especially when some of these people are wrongly separated for things that simply aren't an issue for them. Having to experience the process alongside our family members comes with a great deal of pain and frustration. 

Apparently the more riled up I am, the more typo's I make. But, regardless, this is simply a place for people to vent about their loved ones being put in separation and get support from others in the same boat. It's not the best place to find positive and uplifting things about the Navy since we've all had a pretty bad experience with it for the most part. 

Yay! Congrats Stephany! He'll be coming home in the same group as my husband. I'm sure we'll both be glad when this crazy emotional roller coaster is over with. Good luck to your brother. I hope he finds his path to bigger and better things!

Well I just received my first word from my husband.  He went to boot camp on 2/13 and I received a phone call tonight.  It wasn't from him, but apparently a ship mate. I have no idea what's going on.  He just told me that my husband wanted to tell me that he's probably getting medically discharged.  He couldn't tell me why my husband was unable to pass this information along to me himself, and he could not tell me why he was being discharged.  Needless to say I am very distraught and confused.  He received a medical waiver and it took two months to clear BEFORE he went into the DEP, so I'm afraid with the budget cuts they are using this as a reason to discharge him now. He had to be cleared by an orthopedic surgeon as well as the MEPS doctors, and passed just fine.  

Cammy, I'm so sorry. He probably hasn't signed his HIPPA release yet, so he can't tell you why he's being separated. There is some info about HIPPA at the top of the group info box above. It seems that when recruits arrive at Ship 5 they get a phone call right away, but with the amount of people there right now I'm not sure if that's always the case. It can be hard to get to a phone at the moment. Problems usually arise when waivers should have been issued for something in their medical history but the recruiter did not notify the recruit that they needed one. If he has a waiver for something, I would assume he is safe from being separated for that particular reason. His possible discharge could be for a number of reasons, ranging from imperfect color vision to sleep disorders to stress injuries. I know you are feeling awful right now, but I promise it will pass and you two will figure it all out together. Hang in there and I hope you hear from him very soon!

Thanks.  It was just really weird that while he didn't call me, someone else did.  It was the correct zip code and he knew my name and my SR's name.  So it seems my husband passed on my phone number and my info to someone he trusted that he knew was getting a phone call.  I'm thinking he's probably in the group that's getting moved there tomorrow or Tuesday, and that's why the weird phone call.  He's still in his normal ship but was on watch I believe.  It's just really hard not knowing what's going on. 

I can't believe it took them 28 days of paying a recruit they were releasing?  That's terrible Batmom!  I really hope my husband isn't stuck there that long if they're just going to release him.  

Ah, that makes a lot of sense Cammy. I know they will hold them over the weekend because nobody is there to process them until Monday. My husband will be there for 19 days. He was separated on Valentine's Day (Happy Valentine's Day to us!) and will be coming home tomorrow. The good news is that they're actually trying to process them out quicker now since there's so many of them. I couldn't believe that they only sent three people home last Thursday and will now be sending a group of about 15 home on Monday. That tells me that it IS possible to get them out a lot quicker, but they just choose not to. Sigh. It must be really hard waiting for more information, but just hang tight and try to be supportive. He may be really hard on himself for a few days like mine was. It's not easy, but like batmom said, it will be over eventually.

I just called Legal and they have no information for him, so maybe he is just being paranoid and thinks he is going to be transferred (he gets paranoid about things like this easily and frets).  They told me if he does get sent to Ship 5 he will get to call when he gets there, so I guess I will just have to wait til I hear from him directly to know what is going on.  I'm hoping he is just panicking for a silly reason.  He might just be homesick and be freaking out too (we have a 14 month old so I can't imagine how lonely he is feeling away from us).  I'm sorry about your husband Jen!  My husband shipped to boot on the 13th so our Valentine's day wasn't the best either.  I'm sorry you are going through this :(  I'm very glad your husband is coming home though, and I hope the best for you guys.  Keep your chins up.

Thank you for the kind words, Cammy. The military can be so hard on families! ): My husband would have had 11 days left until graduation today. We have come to learn that this situation is for the best for us personally, although it sure didn't feel like it at first. If you get a chance to speak with him, tell him not to worry too much and just focus on his training. They're really looking for reasons to separate recruits right now, so the less he speaks about any potential issues, the better. I really hope he is able to finish his training and that you guys don't have to deal with the separation process. But if you do, just be his rock and let him know it's not his fault and everything will work out, even if you don't feel so positive at the time. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you and your family!

For those of you just coming to SHIP 5, support, support and support your loved one.  They need that now more then anything.  They need to know you are still very proud of them for trying and you are glad he/she is coming home.  Get them thinking about plan B.  They will have plenty of time to do so, especially during their 4 hour sitting or standing sessions.  Remember everyone deals with disappointment in their own way.  Some will act out while others will do what is expected.  Those who are acting out haven't figured out their time in SEPS would go better if they followed the rules.  Know that if you haven't gotten a call from your loved one that has been sent to SEPS it may be because they have chosen not to call.  Maybe because they are afraid you will be disappointed in them, they may be embarrassed.  With so many in SEPs right now they are probably still trying to figure out when the phones are free.  You can continue to send letters but they need to go to SHIP 5 now.  Hang in there you will hear from them soon.  My son has been in SEPS 2 weeks and has finally gone to legal, now waiting for the captain to sign off.  Then travel plans will be made.  At this point my boy could be home any where from Wed ths week to Mon next week.  Can't wait for him to get home!  Good luck to you all and your recruits, there is life after the Navy, my son has already come up with plan b and is wanting to get home to put it in place.

God bless each of you and hang in there, be up beat when you finally get to talk to your son/daughter.

Well, my husband is home now! We are both so happy and relieved. The moment we spotted each other in the airport was priceless. He has accumulated lots of stories and picked up a few habits. The morning after he got home he started tucking in his shirt, something he never did before. I asked him why and he said the RDCs would make them run around the compartment screaming "I'm a pretty pretty princess!" if they didn't tuck in their shirts. So naturally, he had to avoid that. Lol! I don't think he's going to be finished with remembering new stories to tell for a while.

I've been on Navy for Moms since he enlisted in July 2012 and most of the people I've talked to here have been very friendly and helpful. I'm really glad I had this website for the whole journey. It didn't turn out how we had expected, but we're hopeful that things will end up better this way. A lot of good has come out of this seemingly bad situation. I hope you all get your loved ones home very soon and have a happy reunion day. It's a shame that many of them wound up in Ship 5 through no fault of their own, but there are bigger and better things waiting for all of them. If you could have gotten through boot camp if it wasn't for something like an injury or disqualifying condition getting in your way, you're a strong person. Strong people will find their way. :)

I am so glad to hear that Jen!  It must be a great feeling to have him home :)  I believe everything will work out in the end, and things happen for the best.

I finally heard from my husband, and he's terribly homesick (not injured thankfully) and wants to come home.  He says it's getting harder and harder every day to be away from us (especially his daughter, who learned to walk shortly after he left) and he just doesn't know if he can handle this life style after all.  

Cammy, I'm sorry to hear that! The military definitely isn't for everyone. Once he's graduated, there's a very good chance he will be deployed for months at a time. Though, in that situation, there will be more contact and less stress than boot camp. Does he have something to fall back on if he comes home? If so, then maybe you two should start weighing the pros and cons. If not, then I would really encourage him to keep at it. Maybe start writing him daily letters if you don't already. They don't have to be long, either. If you don't have time, just write him a few positive sentences to hang on to. Pictures help, too. My husband said that my letters helped him immensely. Also, around week 4 is when things get a lot easier for everyone, so maybe he will feel differently by then. I can only imagine how hard it must be for both of you with a baby in the picture. I hope you two can get a chance to talk about it and that you find the best option for your family!

Yeah he made sure not to specifically say anything over the phone, I just asked him questions and he answered.  He said a lot more about it in his letters.  He will be making his decision on Monday and after that there is no coming home no matter how homesick he is.  I feel like he'll regret it if he comes home.  Maybe not when he first gets home...but then again maybe it's just not meant to be.  I trust him to make the decision that's right for him, and I hope him the best.  

I write to him every day and send him lots of pictures.  I also sent his address to all of his friends as well as his mom and dad for him (he doesn't know they'll be writing, so hopefully that'll be a nice surprise!). 

Meant to say he does have something to fall back on here.  It was a great job that actually made more money than in the military, but it was really tough manual work (like the Navy isn't? haha) and he wanted to do something more with his life.  I just want him to be happy with his decision in the future, and there are equal pros and cons to each life style.    

Cammy, 

So sorry to hear about your how homesick your husband is.  My son said once they started getting mail it was a huge spirit lifter.  He looked for mail every day.  He would get loads of mail because so many people from home where writing to him.  Each time I talked to him he asked what was going on here.  He wanted to know all the little things.  I know this is a hard decision for him and you.  I wish you both the very best.  Once eh makes his decision he will need all the support you, family and friends can give him, so he doesn't get down on himself. 

My son arrived home on Thursday!  It was such a relief to see him get off that plane and know he has come to terms with being medically discharged.  If after 2 years he is medically fine he can sign up again with a medical waiver.  I think this made a big difference for him being discharged.  He is planning to pursue fire science and EMT.  He his also considering returning to the Navy at a later date. 

So very glad he is home!! :)

For those who have loved ones in SEPS there is light at the end of the tunnel.  Just take it one day at a time and support your loved one. :)

 Angie-I would be interested in the survey

Kelly, congrats on getting your son back! Best of luck to him with his future plans. :)

Thank you JenBo!  It is amazing having him home again.  He is working on getting all his ducks in a row to begin school in June or September.  He has also been out beating the streets for work.  He has a few promising job prospects.  We are definately seeing it's who you know not what you know.  We are thank full for friends who own their own businesses and friends wo are in positions of requesting who they want to have work with or for them.  Hope things are coming together for you and your hubby.  Has he begun his new job yet?

Good to hear! He'll be just fine :) He sounds like a very proactive person with lots of connections. He's at his old job for now. We're waiting on word from the new company. They're in the middle of contract renewals and most likely won't be hiring for a couple months. He has some back up options, but this job is the most promising so far.