Ship 5 Moms(Formerly Ship 17)

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Hi all, 

I am a newbie here. My sailor just texted me and told me that a PO at TPU told him to get ready to get kicked out. He is upset, frustrated and heartbroken after talking to the PO, and so am I. 

Here is the story. He just finished A school and suppose to be flew out to his ship this week. However, he has been having a groin problem since he was in bootcamp. He went to the doctor while he was in bootcamp (doctor told him that he might have or about to have one). Went through bootcamp with pain. Finally finished A school a few weeks ago and went to the doctor at a local base while he was on leave.  Confirmed its not hernia. Checked in at his 1st duty station a week ago, went to another doctor at his duty station. Doctor refer him to a sports doctor (tomorrow) and wrote him a note for MRI (next week) and he is on LLD for 30 days right now. 

What is next? Is he definitely going to be discharged like the PO told him, or he still have hope staying in? How long is it going to take to know whether his is going to be discharged or not? 

Thanks

Horror story; Hi all.  I wanted to share my son's story.  He graduated boot camp 7/11/2014 with div 816 (Seal contract). In June at a special medical physical, the doc saw a mild tremor in his hands.  The doc sent him to a neurologist on June 16 where a brain MRI and blood work was done. The neuro told him it was just a mild physiological tremor which many people have and it would not get in the way of the SEAL contract and he was good to go. The week of graduation, it was noticed in his records that he was supposed to have a followup with the neuro.  So he saw the neuro and the dive doctor.  Both docs said they would write a wavier because the tremor would not be a problem.  After PIR on 7/11/14, he was sent to THU because the wavier paperwork wasn't in the file yet.  He was given the impression that he would only be there a couple of days while the wavier was filed and orders issued.  At THU he could not have his electronic stuff so we left his stuff with a sailor from his division who was now across the street.  My son would get it from him when he was moved across the street.  After a few days, my son checked at medical to see what was going on and they told him the wavier had to be reviewed.  Two weeks later, when he asked again they told him his case was in SpecWar in CA.  The next day he asked another corpsman and they said his case was at legal.  Today I mailed him his civilian clothes because he can have them now.  Today he was told that he has been disqualified from his SEAL contract.  They gave him 4 careers to choose from, CTN, Hospital Corpsman, Seabee, MAA.  He had a bachelor's degree and asked about OCS.  They said no.  He asked about getting into Navy intelligence and they said no.  Pick from these 4 or get out.  He is devastated.  He has worked many years getting and staying in shape for his contract.  He would also like to work in intelligence or language, but they will not let him.  He has decided to separate.  Tomorrow he will move to separations and now cannot have his electronics or the clothes I just mailed to him.  We don't know how we can get this items.  I cannot believe how the Navy treats young men like him.

Hi all. Got the call today that our daughter was being medically separated. She left her June 24th to go to the RTC. By July first she was SIQ and then LLD for pneumonia. She spent the entire month of July being either LLD or SIQ. She is finally free of the pneumonia and to make sure they do a CT scan because her chest is constantly in pain. Something shows up on the scan, no clue what it is. She saw a cardiologist Monday, who said it wasn't her heart. Hoping it is some left over inflammation from the pneumonia. She said that they told her that if she came home, saw her doctor, and was medically cleared, she could re-enlist in 3-6 months. She feels like she has completely failed. She has never quit anything before, and being forced to quit has crushed her spirit. I could hear it in her voice. 

Received another call from our daughter this morning with some more info. I told her to make sure to sign medical and legal papers in case I had to call. She already did. She was joking and being a little more like her old sarcastic self today. When I asked her if she was going back she said not without finishing her degree, and not unless she could skip P-Days, and then laughed. She will be home in 2-3 weeks, flying in. She also said she was told that she would be getting paid until the 24 hours before she left. And then very quietly, in her please don't tell me no to my next question mommy, voice, asked if I would keep her on my medical and dental. Hoping her spirit stays up. 

PART 2

In June at one of the special medical physicals they give to spec war guys, his hands were shaking during some kind of pointing test.  He was sent to a neurologist and a brain MRI and blood work was done.  The neuro said he would not lose his SEAL contract because it was a mild physiological tremor and would not be a detriment to his job.  Then the week of boot camp graduation, he was told he needed to followup with the neuro, so he went to see him again.  He met with the neurologist and the dive doctor and both said it was not a problem and that they would write a wavier.  He graduated bootcamp on July 11 after which he was transferred to the Temporary Hold Unit (THU) waiting for a medical wavier to get processed. 

He was expecting to be there a couple of days but in his third week he was told that he had been disqualified from any Special Ops ratings.  They sent him to reclassify where they offered him four ratings that were at the bottom of the barrel sort to speak.  He asked if he could get into intelligence or language or OCS.  He was told to pick from those he was offered or get out.  I understand medical decisions, because we would not want to jeopardize his well being or his team’s well being, but you would think the Navy would try to hold on to someone who has so much to offer.

He chose to leave, because there will be better things for him somewhere else.  One more kicker, while in THU he was assigned duty as the duty driver.  It’s a 24 hour duty and your job is to transport people to various places.  At night he slept in his duty pants so that if he got a call to give someone a ride he could get there faster.  He was written up (counseling chit) for sleeping in his pants.  I thank him for using his brain and wanting to do the best job possible!

I am a Navy veteran and my Navy treated sailors with more respect.

Wishing the best to all in SEPARATIONS!  You can do IT!

My blab was too long for one posting, so this is

PART 1

My son will be home tomorrow, and we are so excited.  I would like to share his story with you in hopes that someone in the Navy would learn to treat their sailors with a little more respect.  My son has wanted to be nothing except a SEAL since high school.  He made all his choices based on what would best help him become a SEAL.  He earned his Eagle Scout at the age of 13. He was on the high school swim team, Army JROTC, National Honor Society, and worked year round as a life guard on Ft. Knox.  He attended the local community college at night after his high school day was over so that he could take college algebra and trigonometry.  He applied and was awarded a NROTC scholarship to the University of Utah to learn Arabic.  Before moving to Utah, he studied Arabic at a school in Morocco.  About half way through his first semester at the U of U, the Navy asked what he wanted to do in the Navy.  When he told them a SEAL, they told him he was in the wrong program because SEALS get their officers from the Naval Academy and from current SEALs in the ROTC program.  They said he should go in the Navy as enlisted. 

He completed the semester and relinquished his scholarship so that he could enlist and try for a SEAL contract.  The CO of the ROTC program at Utah was angry because he gave up scholarship and told him he would be flipping burgers the rest of his life.

When he came home from Utah, I talked him in to finishing his degree, because the odds of making it through the SEAL program is not that good.  I told him that maybe with a bachelors degree if he didn’t make it through the program, hopefully the Navy would offer him a better career choice.  He told me he would make it through, but I reminded him that even though he had the willpower and strength, he could still get hurt and be medically disqualified.  So he went ahead and finished his degree in 2013. After graduation, he headed to Ocean City, MD for the summer as a member of their beach rescue team because he wanted to get more experience swimming in the ocean.

After his summer job was over he came home and started the process of enlisting in the Navy.  To get a SEAL contract, you first have to enlist in delayed entry and then you apply for a SEAL contract.  His ASVAB scores were high, so he enlisted in the nuclear program then he applied for and was awarded a SEAL contract.

Numerous times a week he would travel an hour away to train with a Navy spec war group.  This was all on his time and dime.  He left for boot camp May 15.

chippers mom,,, he will most likely have the option to rejoin in 6 months unless they give a certain of medical discharge.  he should also have the option to dispute it there if they want to release him.  He will get a chance to talk to legal also if they are discharging him so he will know if he will have that option.  My daughter went through this last year and is now back in boot camp right now.

From what my daughter said,, it tell the recruit if they qualify to come back and/or if they would like to dispute leaving now.  I am not sure what else is talked about.  I know all this stuff is upsetting and sometimes the recruit does not know what all this means til they actually go through it.  So it is not that he don't want to say anything yet,, he may not know what to say.  Keep strong and please keep a smile on your face while you talk to him so at least he will feel that you are still proud of him and not feel like he let anyone down.  I will be praying for him.  I wish I could tell you more but until I know that they are actually separating him or if they are putting him into FIT I don't want to give you wrong information.

chippers mom,,  praying for you!  Please keep us posted.  A waiver is signing to release the military of any issues with a particular health issue you have then they let you stay, this way you can not go back on them for anything for a pre-existing condition.  Not sure if you knew,, just trying to help.

chippers mom I have been thinking about you... I hope all is good.  I hope he got the all clear...prayers.

There are new survey results out recently.  The findings?  Sailors are unhappy and don't trust the Brass.  Really?

Amen Chippers Mom.    

My daughter had this happen last year,,,if they were broken(injured) they are put into FIT for several weeks to give them time to pass whatever still needs passed.  If they went straight to SEP it should not be more than 2-3 weeks once all meetings are done and paper works signed and signed and registered through all necessary offices which some are not in Great Lakes, IL..   This is a very hard time... hang in there.  I did not hear of any punishments at all, so maybe the trouble maker he is talking of is gone and it will not happen again...  I am proud to say my daughter in now back in boot camp on week 6,, so he reentered and it to get approval only took 3 months after the 6 months wait.  Then of course ship out date was based on jobs available.

If you have a questions,,, please ask I will try to help.  God bless you all and I hope your RC speedy recovery and able to reenter if they desire too.

chippers mom,,,prayers are with you all.  I know that feeling of helplessness.  I pray for all of you.  Our SR's  are strong, even if being separated,, remember the choice to sign those papers with a blank check of their life was not an easy one...no matter how long they were there,, they signed to do everything and anything for their country.  It took many weeks to months to get all the papers and stuff needed to enlist and it takes a while to reverse the paperwork.  I know this is the time when we want to hug them and tell them it will be fine.  Believe it or not this time spent with the others being separated is good,, we don't know what they are feeling but they all do,,so try to think of it as time for them to do some soul searching,,, and don't forget if they were sent right home,, they would not have time to deal with their own emotions before facing everyone and all the questions...that is going to be even tougher on them..  Prayers to all,, 

There are SO many things wrong with the Navy. I hurt for your children (and for my sailor).  I don't understand why the Navy does things the way they do. It does nothing for their PR, recruitment, etc.  

please thank your sailors for me for their willingness to serve

Christina,

I am also very angry.  Our children chose to serve what they thought was a noble institution of integrity.  What a disappointment to learn what the Navy really is. 

yes... Betrayed is a must read!

Just want to second what Chippers mom and MoDrummy said. These boys didn't fail... the navy failed them and it is indeed the Navy's loss

I hope you all find peace with the RC coming home.  They will come to find something else that they love.  I do want to say,, once the RC are hurt/sick they are also given a say if they are offered to stay that they can opt to go home.  None of them will ever tell you that for it hurts them so bad.  Some do this because they don't want to face other RC's, some do it because boot camp is VERY hard and some do not want to be there the extra time.  However, you will never know for sure, but the one thing for sure is if they made the choice to come home and people around them keep blaming the Navy they will feel guiltier and guiltier.  Please keep this in mind.  This was a very personal choice for them and they have the right to their privacy.  So please think of their feelings and just help them move on instead of blaming anyone or thing.  Neither the Navy nor the boys failed.  The boys signed a blank check of their lives for a great country.  Thank them for this and help them move on.  Some may choose to go back in after a period of time, this happens too.  I am not trying to offend anyone or belittle your feelings I just want you to know there may be more to the issue and what you say can really wear on the RC.

chippers mom,,, I am not calling anyone anything!  Yes I did have a child on Ship 5,,infact for many weeks!  I feel sad that you look at them as secret keeping babies from my message,,, I in no way insinuated that!!!  I have also been in the Navy and was medically discharged,, I knew a few who choose to go home after an injury and they opted not tell anyone at home that was their choice.  If you have never been in the military you do not understand how hard boot camp is.  I was not calling anyone anything just letting you know there could be other issues.  I am sorry you took it as a slam,,  I intended to inform people and that is all,,,   BTW my daughter fought to go back and is there now.