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Comment by J's/S'smom 13 hours ago

Thanks so much for those who were not offended by my comments--whew. I tend to type quickly and then worry...did I say too much??!!

By the way, for some more support to our women in Nuke school--when our one son was in Nuke school, there was one female Nuke who they were in awe of--she was brilliant! I can't remember her name or what boat she went to, but I do know she was on the road to success and was thought very highly of by all of her classmates! There was an officer nuke (in training) who organized a Bible study for the sailors as well--that was very generous of her considering how little time she had with her own career and being married (I think to another sailor, but I can't remember?).

And for an example on this board, JayDee's daughter is an absolute rock start in my opinion--nuke school, deployment, barely missing a beat after a jelly fish sting, marriage, buying a house....and so much more! We need more like her and the other outstanding women who serve.

On the other hand, when my one son was in boot camp he was part of an integrated division--several men and women in  his division (not him) had to go through part of boot camp a second time, as they were found making out in the closet. Definitely not allowed. And, there was the male prototype nuke arrested after attempting the armed robbery of a pharmacy in NY. Sooooo...there are good and bad...can't paint with a broad brush.....

Anyhoo...going to spend some time with my sweetie....

Have a great weekend everyone!

Comment by J's/S'smom 14 hours ago

NancyJo, I know you had asked about the integrated sub. All I can say is WOW!--my sailors joke that the integrated sub is luxury accommodations compared to the old Los Angeles class subs. 

One thing that I absolutely love are the captains and ombudsmen who really go the extra mile to provide assurance and support to the sailors and sailors' families. It might seem like a small thing, but both our sons' captains sent a hand-signed letter congratulating *us* (!!) when each son  earned his dolphins. I will cherish those letters forever.

For the moms worried about those first deployments, it can be hard, but--at least in our experience--we have found the ombudsmen are wonderful! They can't gives specifics over the phone, but they can call to say "expect a call" or to give a window of when the boat would be welcomed into port, etc. The ombudsman  also arranges mail drops when possible--usually you're only given a couple days and will be limited in size/quantity as to what you can send, but they usually try to have a half-way celebration (half-way through deployment), and will sometimes make sure to collect cards or something for special holidays.

Comment by JayDee659 20 hours ago
ProudofK, glad you liked A School grad. I thought it was such a nice ceremony.
Comment by Chipmunk yesterday

ProudOfK - Safe travels!!

Comment by ProudOfK yesterday

J's/S'sMom - Thank you so much for shareing all this very good information. Much appreciated!

A schlol grad was great. On our way home. 

Comment by Chipmunk yesterday

I appreciate J's/S'smom for bring up a topic that may cause some of us to ruffle our feathers, others of us to want to hide in our shell, and others to engage their husbands in a conversation around the matter.  For over an hour tonight  I have been discussing with my husband the harassment /sub /women comments and wish I could easily share his statements and our discussion, but that just doesn't work very well. Thanks for sharing the links and articles with us, J's/S'smom.

It is good for us to have healthy conversations, even over issues that most people would just "brush under the carpet."

Comment by Buzzbeck yesterday
CSW: Don't miss the Power School graduation, it's wonderful. Prototype graduation date is a moving target and difficult to make travel plans ahead of time, so you might miss it, as I did. Regarding care packages, I found anything square shipped best. As in square chocolate chip cookies or brownies. Or my latest find from Pinterest: Carmelitas. Gosh they are good.

Regarding women sailors on subs, I have no opinion yet as I have no Naval expertise. However, 30 years ago, I was hired by a govt agency that was almost all male. After allot of hard work by women with a calling for public service, day in and day out, developing trust one on one between employees, and with customers, the agency is better able to serve the public.
Comment by J's/S'smom yesterday

So the Navy Times article is from 2015. It looked bleak, but those in favor of  the integration plan were optimistic.

Here is what happened next and where we are now:

Comment by J's/S'smom yesterday

NonnaB, you are right about respecting others, but that's not really the issue on subs. The conditions are not the same as they are on surface ships. On the one hand, pregnancies happen on all vessels more frequently than anyone would like to admit. But, that isn't really the main issue. It is a factor, but it isn't the only issue.

Not sure how to delicately discuss some of the issues...but limited ability to use the bathroom, shower, or create large amounts of waste..... Ummmm.... The men deal with all kinds of fungus and infections, but these can be much more severe for women.

Anyway, back to human nature. The award for the highest rate of pregnancies goes to the sub tender (27 per 100 woman years). It isn't so much that these men and women can't respect each other, it's that when men and women live in close quarters for months at a time, romances can develop. 

The female requirement for medical care  is much higher than for men, and this can hinder a sub's mission. The reason wisdom teeth are often yanked out early in ones Navy career is to eliminate any potential mission interference. The greater risk of mission interference due to health care needs is one of the reason women were eliminated from sub service.

From the Navy Times, here is one short article discussing the dismal results from the integration efforts--note that the women themselves are opting out of sub service:

"Few Women choose to stay in the submarine force"

It's kind of sad to me that the first thought everyone has is that men are predators and that is the reason women shouldn't serve on subs. The truth is that most men are actually quite chivalrous--to their own detriment.

The subs are run with a limited crew size. If a crew member becomes unable to work (no matter what the cause), the remaining crew members have to do all their work plus the work of the missing member. When several nukes tapped out and a flu struck, my son was on a 2 day rotation. Do you know what that means? Every other day was a 24 hour work day. Let that sink in for a minute. It meant that far too often he was working 36 straight hours. (They usually get some sleep during that 24 hour duty day, but it is limited.) There were several weeks during which they were averaging 2 to 4 hours of sleep in a 24 hour period.

On surface ships there are a lot more people and covering for those who fall ill or have medical issues arise does not cause the same degree of hardships that it does on a sub.

Full circle...there are some women who are exceptions to the general  rules and who thrive and excel in sub service...but they are exceptions. Let's make exceptions for the exceptional, but let's not force integration because of personal wants and callous disregard for our male submariners and for the mission of the Navy.

Comment by SailorsLIMom yesterday

I second NonnaB's comment, and the rest of this is my own view.  To not allow women sailors to serve on subs, or in any position that they are trained for and capable at, because of fears of harassment OR fears of "inappropriate" accusations of harassment, would be analogous to not allowing sailors of different ethnicities to serve because of possible allegations of "racism" that might break out.  What about things that "go wrong" between any two members of a ship's crew? Rules and procedures are in place to resolve conflicts minor and major without having to surface.  I'd hate for our daughter to decide against serving on a sub out of fear that some of her fellow sailors would think her presence is a "bad idea."


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