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Discharging ..less than honorable
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Permalink Reply by Craig on
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You might want to read this...
http://www.navytimes.com/community/ask_lawyer/offduty-ask-the-lawye...
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Permalink Reply by Carrington on
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He doesn't deserve this, the navy is all that he has. He has captains mast and goes on restriction on Wednesday 5/9/12 and all his privileges (everything except his uniform) will be taken away including his cell phone and being able to leave base. There has to be another way that he can prove he deserves to stay. I just can't ask him because the last thing he needs is to continue thinking about it.
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Permalink Reply by lemonelephant on
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Has he been told for certain that he is to be discharged? You mention Captain's Mast and that does not typically result in separation from what I have seen on here or heard about before, but rather results in punitive actions such as the restrictions that you mentioned. He will have restrictions and retraining sort of like a Boot Camp to give him a chance to be the Sailor that he should be, but was not acting like. He could lose rate (pay grade). Also, they usually don't just send a Sailor to Captain's Mast the first time there is a problem. He has probably had several warnings with counseling about the action and has refused to make the corrections in his behavior.
Here is a discussion from awhile back on Captain's Mast: Captain's Mast or NJP (clikable link).
If he wants to stay, he must show that he is worthy to stay and that his actions will be those of a US Navy Sailor and that he intends to make the changes.
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If you have a chance to talk to him and he does intend to try to stay in, then you must encourage him to be an Outstanding Sailor during his restriction. Satisfactory won't cut it; he has to prove that he wants to stay and will make the changes needed to make that possible. A negative attitiude on his part and an unwillingness to conform to the standards of the Navy will result in separation at some point.
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lemon - It all depends on what he did. If he was caught doing "Spice", then it doesn't matter if he's outstanding or not. He's would be a goner.
To me, it sounds like this sailor has Captains Mast next Wednesday. It also sounds like he already knows what the punishment will be. Example: If the last 50 sailors got a BCD for using Spice, then chances are he will get one too....but I'm just guessing what this sailor did.
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Carrington,
I have attended many Captains Masts, probably well over 200. I can say that Captains Mast are fair. They are not like a Court Martial which is a trial, but Captains Mast is an administrative action. Your BF had a choice, he had the option to either go to Court Martial or to go to Captains Mast. It was up to him.
If a sailor knew they were totally innocent, then they should always choose a Court Martial. It is a legal trial that has to prove you are guilty. If you are totally innocent then you will have no other actions against you. However, if you choose Captains Mast, then the Captain must weigh the info, and will decide if they think your guilty or not. It's the Captains decision on what the fine and restrictions will be. The Captain is limited on what he can hand out for a punishment.
Now I know you don't want to here this, but not knowing your BF situation, I can say without any reservation that he is guilty for whatever they charged him with. I have zero doubt. You also need to know that the Navy is discharging sailors that have perfect records because the Navy is overmanned. It is so ashamed that the Navy does this to great sailors. It's not right, but it is what it is.
In today's Navy, you more than likely will be discharged if you go to Captains Mast. One black mark is a career ender. . With you BF getting a Big Chicken Dinner (BCD), then he did something serious. Not something minor. Luckily for him, he's not on a ship. If he was, they could also give him Bread & Water only for three days if they are really ticked at him. My bet is he was smoking Spice.
Do tell....
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He knew about a friend of his doing something illegal. There were others involved but my bf was not directly involved. He knew of the matter but did not say anything for fear of getting his friend in trouble. And then I guess they found out he knew and didn't say anything. He had a minor offense back a few months ago (falling asleep in class) where they bumped him down from the highest level with the most privileges to the lowest with none. And now this , I believe he had some type of mast or something last week because I got a message from him saying they were discharging him but his restriction starts Wednesday of this upcoming week. He has already moved barracks in the "holding" or something like that. He has been doing manual labor for the past few weeks. Is there absoultely no chance of saving him once he goes on restriction? You all will have to excuse me, I'm still new to the navy haven't fully picked up all the terms and such.
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Are there two separate Captains Masts? He went to one last week where he was told he was going to get discharged but he has recently mentioned going through his sea bag to see what he needs for mast... I'm rather confused but I cannot ask him I'm all he has apart from the navy. His parents and family have disowned him and have told him how disappointed they are. I'm his only support and I've been trying to keep him in good spirits its breaking my heart to have him go through this. All help an advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
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Permalink Reply by Angie on
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recommend you think for a few mintues..if his family has disowned him...did he do more than you you know about? Did he do something illegal?
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Angie--
There was underage drinking and driving with a group of other sailors. He was not involved nor drinking or driving. He knew those sailors were underaged and drinking as well as operating a vehicle. But he did not say anything until he was questioned about it. His family has never supported him they do not have a good relationship. This was simply another reason for them to look down on him when he doesn't deserve it.
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Permalink Reply by Anti M on
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My nephew very nearly had the same thing happen to him, went to mast for accepting a ride from a sailor who had booze in the car and was underage. However, he'd never been in trouble, was an outstanding student, and they could not prove he had knowledge about the drinking. (He didn't). His chief and instructors also stood as character witnesses for him, which tipped the decision to a favorable one. All the other sailors involved either lost their school or were discharged.
But yes, the Navy can throw a sailor out for not reporting an infraction by another sailor. If he has admitted knowing, he's admitted fault. They don't have to keep him. It is very harsh, but it happens.
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