future for undesigned

[ja123ja123]

Hello everyone

I speak for myself. I'm a depper of Navy. I want to learn something about undesigned. And What kind of  jobs can Undesigned change after 1.5-2 years Undesigned work.

PS: I'm a foreigner been in US 2.5 years. My parents are not in US neither....

Thank you very much~

[Anti M]

http://www.navyformoms.com/forum/topics/going-undesignated

[Craig]

Ja123 - Welcome to the Navy.  

I assume you are going PACT?  If so, which of these did you choose?

a.  Surface/Seaman (S-PACT)     

b.  Aviation/Airman (A-PACT)     

c.  Engineering/Fireman (E-PACT)

 

If possible, I would see if you can put in a DAR request to allow you to get a rating instead of going 

undersigned.  It just makes a easier career for you.  

Here are the rating that a green card holder can chose from.  

ABE, ABF, ABH, AD, AM, AME, AS, BM, BU, CE, CM, CS, DC, EA, EM, EN, EO, GSE, GSM,

HM, HM (Dental), LS, MM, MR, PR, PS, SH, SW, UT.

 

What the heck do these letters mean?  Go here to find out:

http://www.navydep.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=36

 

Secondly, I recently helping a Chinese green card gal going to boot camp.  One thing she wished is she knew English better.  Because her English was broken, she had to attend the Fundamental Applied Skills Training (FAST) program.  You really don't want that because you could be in boot camp for 15 weeks instead of the normal 8 weeks.

[ja123ja123]

Thank you for your advice

I got a HM rate 4 months ago, but I learnt that HM almost= FMF which kind of dangeous. I don't think I can do that.

Now I'm thinking about changing to Undesignated before graduate from BC and been sent to fleet straigtly. Even there will be 2 years hard work waiting for me but at least I don't need to risk my life. I just hope after Undesignated work there will be a chance to change to a particular job. I have degree for software engineering in my country and I can speak 2 different language(except English). But I also know that I may not have that chance because I'm a foreigner......I don't want to quit from Navy which I try my best to enlist in for almost 1 whole year.

[Angie]

Do you even really want to join the military?  You risk your life every day, no matter your job.

 

So you say you can't speak English?  How do you expect to understand anything if you can't speak what we speak?  Do you think there will be someone there to translate for you?  NO there will not be!

 

WHY do you even want to join MY military?

 

Being a foreigner...you are limited to what you can do in MY military.

[ja123ja123]

sorry, my bad. I mean I can speak 2 different language besides English.

I want to join the military because I want to serve this country with my knowledge and skill and my passions. I understand my situation here when you said:"Being a foreigner...you are limited to what you can do in MY military" As first immigrant in my family I want to do something for a long tern career. Not only about money not only about citizenship, it's about respection and background. This is why I want to join your military.

 

I can't risk my life because I have a serious issue in my family. My parents almost 60s and divorced.

Think about it. If I died or wounded badly how can I face to them? When my mother learnt that I maybe go to war, she overly scared and she even told me if I died she will suiside. Just think about it as the only son I can't make this decision myself. I don't dear to die not that much. But I have my concerns..

I do want to join the Navy and I know I can do something useful to Navy without satisfied my life.

[Craig]

ja123 - I must admit, you struck a nerve with us veterans.  Bottom like we don't like pussies in military.  We want them to be adult enough to understand that they could be put into a position to defend themselves or our country.

 

Per your mom, if she's telling you that she would commit suicide if you die, would she also do it if you go on a 6 month deployment?  What about if you go to boot camp?  Heck, she is holding you hostage with threats.  The threats will never end.  

 

If she brings it up again, and she say how can she support herself with you dead, you tell her that if in the rare chance that happens, she'd get $400,000 from your SGLI.  I know money really doesn't mean much, but it will stop her using the money thing as a pawn.  She would have more than enough to live her life.  Secondly, you might not want to drive a car because you have a much more risk dying is a car accident than you would in a war zone.  As sad as it is, our police officers in our country die alot more often than our military.  Remember, our military isn't like World War 2, it's not hand-to-hand combat nowadays.

 

Frankly, as hard & sad as it would be to have my son die in a war zone, I would still be honored.  I much rather that happened knowing he was there to protect this country,  Don't get me wrong, I would still grieve, but  deep down I knew he did something he totally believe in.  He is miltary to the core, and hopefully he learned these values from me.  Because I am proud of him, and ALL military personnel.....

 

Per the parents are almost 60?  Geez, are you saying I an old bastard?  I admit I'm a bastard, but 60 is young.  Maybe in Zimbabwe 60 is old, but here in the U.S. 60 is young.  Heck, when I take a viagra, I feel like I'm 20.  So, instead of caving in with there threats, start your own life.  They will always hold this over you, and if you decide to not cut-the-apron, then it's your choice.  

 

[Craig]

btw:  I'm 52.  The Viagra was just to honor Uncle Sam.  However, Mr. Johnson, the man downstairs likes it ALOT!  But I must admit, I feel like the bicycle "kick stand" is down when I'm laying in bed.  It's really hard to roll over.  Just saying...

 

[Angie]

Well if you can't risk your life...than DONT join MY Navy!

 

There is a saying in MY Military...we write a blank check up to and including our life!  If you can't do that....welll go look somewhere else for a JOB.

 

Joining any branch of the United States Military you CAN go to the war!  It doesn't matter that you join the Navy!  You could be sent to the front line to work side by side with the Army..oh-yea it isn't yours or your mommies choice if you get sent. 

 

As Craig said you hit a nerve with us Vets!  Craig and I served OUR Navy! 

 

I don't need to think about an only child going to war...my husband was there.  Oh-yea did I say...that both my hubby and I are Vets! 

[Craig]

ja123 - I'm afraid to tell you that the Navy isn't a 9 to 5 job.  It's a lifestyle.  We have proud sailors that do anything the military service request of them.  Sometimes we put ourselves in harms way, but that's what we knew were the possibility when we joined.  As General Patton once said "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.  He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

 

With that said, frankly, my own personal feeling is you have no business being in the Navy, let alone any military service. You took an oath to protect and defend the United States.  There are no waivers.  All men are timid on entering any fight. Whether it is the first or the last fight, all of us are timid. Cowards are those who let their timidity get the better of their manhood.  How would you handle it in a war zone if the Navy puts you there?  Frankly,  I would want someone to protect my son (who is a sailor) as he would of them.  What makes me think you would pick up a weapon to protect your fellow shipmates or my son?  Nothing.   

 

There are soooo many sailors that I can say I am proud of.  They volunteer for IA duty and they suck it up and go to Iraq or Afghanistan because America need them there.  When you receive your orders, that is exactly what they are, they are orders.  You will be required to fulfill them.  To have someone in the service that is not fully committed is just ashame.  They can't be trusted.  If the recruiting station knew about your views, they would have kicked you to the curb and selected someone else that truly deserves to be in the Navy.

 

My question, since you are not fully committed, and since you are a green card holder, will you chose not to stand for the U.S. National anthem?  I'm thinking you will say "This isn't my country".

 

You need to do alot of soul searching and figure out why you are joining the Navy.  If it's only because of economics or because you want a discount at the movie theater, then you are joining for the wrong reason.