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recruiter advising not to disclose adhd diagnosis
I know their are discussions regarding undisclosed medical diagnosis when joining the Navy. Does anyone have suggestion on how I can handle this?
I understand that this is a felony and in the long run could potentially ruin your life. My 17 year old son has wanted to join the Navy for many years. His goal is to become a Seal. This is his single focus in life. He does know this is a felony but is certain he wont be caught.
Just as a "quick" back ground on my sons issues - He was diagnosed with ADHD in second grade and has been on meds since. I'm not sure but he may also have a secondary diagnosis of oppositional defiant disorder. He is able to hold things together on meds enough to get by. He tried going off his meds last summer for about 8 months. This didn't go very well he had some social issues and declining grades, none of this issues ended up in the legal system or in a suspension from school but they were boarder line. He was fired from his job at Dairy Queen. He requested to go back on his meds in Dec. and did better, (not great) but now is off them again because he plans on joining the Navy in Nov. when he turns 18.
He knows with an ADHD diagnosis he can not join. He has discussed this with the recruiter he has been in contact with since he was 15. My husband, my son, and I met with the recruiter last summer at which time the recruiter told him ( in our presence) If he doesn't disclose the ADHD they won't know because they ( the navy) can't see his medical history. The recruiter also went on to say that ADHD is over diagnosed and everybody has that diagnosis so they can drug kids to get them to sit still in school.
I was livid. We spent 2 years trying to decide to medicate our son, and a lot of time researching the subject before deciding to medicate him. It was not a decision we took lightly. I can't believe the recruiter had the nerve to say these things in our presence.
Now to the issue at hand. I refuse to sign papers for early entry to the Navy because of his issues. I know my son plans on omitting this info on this admission paper work. I also know he is being coached as to what to say when challenged on this issue. This issue has caused such a rift between us we are barely speaking, so don't bother suggesting a heart to heart talk with him we are years beyond that. He even had a psychologist tell him "if I had to do an eval on you for the Navy I would never recommend putting a gun in your hands." I think this is very important information that the Navy needs to know about, but who do I talk to or where do I go? What are my options? Obviously I can't talk to the recruiter, or my son. They all think I'm just being an overprotective mother. I feel like I have until Nov. ( because he turns 18 in Nov.) before I really have no options. I also realize my son will never speak to me again if I take this away from him. What does a person do when they know some one is falsifying info on their admission paperwork? I am for ever grateful for all our military veterans and their families have done for us. I would be very proud to be the mother of a Sailor under different circumstances. Thank you for any advise you can offer.
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Permalink Reply by judy r on
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I am truly sorry for the position you are in. But the Navy always finds out about non disclosures he will then be discharged possibly less than honorable not for sure on that part. If he cannot hold it together in civilian life he will not be able to in the Navy life and again the Navy will find out. I recommend going over the recruiters head to his CO and telling him what you know.
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Judy Unfortunately, I am not familiar with Navy hierarchy so I'm not sure who that would be. My son of course thinks he is holding it together. Facts apparently don't factor into his reality. Thank you for your reply.
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So if your son goes to bootcamp, and is off his meds (as I am getting from your post he is still on meds) what will happen? Odds are pretty good he will freak out, and than say something about having ADHD (oh...they have ways to get them to talk). Than they will find out he lied on his paper work and it will be put on his DD214...and yes his life will be over as he just screwed himself with ever getting a good job in his life!
I recommend you talk to the RINC (recruiter in charge) of that station...or get ahold of another recruiter in a different area.
Sorry to say...but from what you posted the NAvy doesn't sound like a good fit for your son. But if it is to be for him..he will need a waiver and need to be off the meds for either 1 or 2 years (can't remember)...
Also those psych tests will need to be put with his Navy paper work...and that one statement you posted...will disqualify him from the Military.
Sorry to say..but it sounds like your son would put peoples safety at risk in the Navy. There are guns on ships.
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feel free to either post or message me the area you are in and I will get you names and numbers of who you can talk to
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Angie Thank you so so much for your help. I am aware of the consequences of lying on his paper work which is why I'm feeling so desperate. We live in Wisconsin, near Green Bay. I can't thank you enough for helping me.
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Permalink Reply by BunkerQB on
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I hope your son finds other paths to a good career. The Navy may not be for him but all our young kids are our future - we have to find ways to help them succeed. Good luck.
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Here is a start...
Call them ASAP!
REPORTING RECRUITER FRAUD & DISINFORMATION;
write to
COMNAVCRUTCOM Code 001
5722 Integrity Drive
Bldg 768
Millington, Tenn 38054
Phone; 800-522-3451 Mon thru Fri 8am to 4 pm
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Jen, sent you a friends request. I have the CMC of the recruiter's info so you can email him and let him know what is going on...that recruiter needs to get in lots of trouble
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Permalink Reply by Concernedad on
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OK, here's the answer.
The Navy will find out, especially if he wants to be in spec ops. They will do further profile testing and do have the right to review medical records because your son will sign a release.
This recruiter sucks! Can't be any clearer. You could probably talk to his superior and get it handled, but that will make you the bad guy.
Strongly urge your son to sign up on his own on the Military.com website where he can ask the question himself of actual recruiters and military personel. They will set him straight in a hurry. This way, you don't have to be the bad guy, nor does he have to take your word for it.
Lying at MEPS may get him in temporarily, but it will eventually get him tossed out and that will be far tougher for him.
BTW, one of may threads on the topic...
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/78192862/m/7070044142001
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concernedad Thanks for your reply.
I fully understand that he will most likely get caught at some point, and yes the recruiter sucks. However, I can't even suggest to my son that he go to the website because he is oppositional enough that anything I suggest will make him dig his heels in further. We are at an in-pass and it will likely rip our family apart. Believe me he eats, lives, and breathes Navy. He has been to every website, blog, post, forum, etc etc... He has talked to a few different recruiters. He has taken the military written exam ( asvab i believe it is called) and scored very well. Recruiters from all branches are trying to get at him and he is eating up the attention.
He sees and hears what he wants. This is all a part of the problem. He is very smart, clean cut, well spoken, polite, and charming. Unless you are his teacher, parent, sibling, or boss and have to deal with him on a daily basis you don't realize what his issues are.
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Not so sure I'd be all that quick to contact someone to report recruiter fraud. While, generally speaking, this recruiter definitely needs to be reassigned, Jen, if you do this yourself your son will know and will mostly forever cause a riff between the two of you. Heaven forbid his life not go in the direction he wants and you end up getting the blame.
I would think it much better off if your son find out for himself that the Navy won't allow him in.
Very tough decision here.
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