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Undesignated Seaman
I have a few questions about the undesignated Sailor. My youngest son just grad PIR in May. He is undesignated and has been assigned to an (LSD) ship. He did pretty well on his ASVAB and had a rate but lost it due to a broken finger which put him in a cast for 6 weeks. He missed his ship date and therefore lost his rate. Being that rates are hard to come by these days he went in as undesignated. He was told by his recruiter that within the first 6 months he could strike for a job, but had to fulfil his time in undesignated for 6 months. Then if he qualified with ASVAB scores for a particular rate he would be sent to A school for this rate. After "A" school it would be decided where he would go from there.
Now what I am hearing is that he can still strike for a rate within the 6 months but that he has to pick a rate within his ship and stay with that rate (and ship) for 18 months to 2 years learning his new rate on the ship. I have been hearing and reading about the PACT program. Is this program what every undesignated Sailor is in. Also, does their rank have anything to do with getting to strike earlier than another sailor or preference of rates (like E-3 over and E-1 or 2)
My oldest son has been in the Navy for 4 1/2 years. Things for him just went so smoothly and he has just started on his second term. I am just so confused this time around. I am not getting to talk with my son that often about all of this so I am trying to find out all I can on my own. If anyone has any answers,I would appreciate them, or if you know where I can get some info on this.
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In my era, undesignated was a great thing. In todays Navy, I'm not so sure. The problem with underdesignated in todays Navy is they won't let these sailor get rated for at least 18 to 24 months. Which means they cannot take the Petty Officers 3rd class exam for 2 years. Then they also have to wait to the increment date to be advanced.
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/milpersman/1000/140...
Had the same person chose Boatswain Mate (BM) or whatever rating from the beginning, they probably be an E5 by then. Unlike my time when we had waivers or Command Advance Programs (CAP) that let us advance quickly, todays Navy is not like that.
Frankly, I truly wished everyone had to do 1 year on a ship undesignated prior to "A" school just to give them an idea on how the Navy works. But those times are long gone. Now, for any sailor, I would want them to learn the Navy and advance so they can support a family. Family is #1 in my book, side-by-side with the Navy.
I have a sailor on my website (NavyDEP.com) that has 3 yr 5 mo in now. This sailor was in my sons bootcamp division. He had an "A" school, but messed up and they sent him to the fleet undesignated. He now is as an OS3. The soonest he can take the 2rd class test is this September. My son will be taking the September exam too for 1st class.Remember, if he gets into a crappy rating that is overmanned and doesn't advance, then they will be given the boot after 6 years due to High Year Tenure.
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/milpersman/1000/110...
This CTR made Chief in 5 years 5 months. Would a undesignated make it in the same time? I know alot of Chiefs are ticked off because they don't think this guy "Served his time". But guess what, the Navy says he did, and I must beleive in the Navy.
http://www.soundpublishing.com/index.php/navigator/printerfriendly/...
So, don't get me wrong, I think sailors learn so much being undesignated. However, in todays Navy, it doesn't put the same food on the table as someone that's rated and has advanced. By food, I mean Steak and Potatoes, and not Cheese Whiz.
Just my thoughts....
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