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Comment by 7isheaven on February 8, 2011 at 10:54am

Clockard- I'll get the PIR info by email? Will the Recruits get email time at some point?  :)

I heard that will allow women on subs- showing my ignorance here- but I think they will start with subs that have smaller 'quarters' ie. a section that hold only 7-9 all women, rather than a sub that's quarters old 20-30 at a time.  Am I getting this right??

Comment by Craig on February 8, 2011 at 10:45am

AGAIN, sorry everyone for the long post.... 

Comment by Craig on February 8, 2011 at 10:42am

6. NOTE: ABOVE REQUIREMENTS OUTLINE THE BASELINE SCREENING REQUIRED FOR ENTRY INTO THE NSW TIO PROGRAM. 

7. REQUEST WIDEST DISSEMINATION.//

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Comment by Craig on February 8, 2011 at 10:41am

3.A.5. POSSESS A TOP SECRET, SENSITIVE COMPARTMENTED INFORMATION

SECURITY CLEARANCE BASED ON A CURRENT SINGLE SCOPE BACKGROUND

INVESTIGATION.

3.A.6. COMPLETE MINIMUM OF ONE TOUR AS A CRYPTOLOGIC TECHNICIAN OR IW OFFICER.

3.A.7. SCORE EXCELLENT-LOW OR ABOVE ON MOST RECENT PHYSICAL FITNESS ASSESSMENT WITH NO FAILURES OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS.

3.A.8. RECOMMENDATION OF CURRENT COMMANDING OFFICER (ADDRESS ANY POSSIBLE WAIVER REQUIREMENTS).

3.B. FOR OFFICERS.

3.B.1. BE A QUALIFIED 1610.

3.B.2. PASS PT TEST AS OUTLINED IN PARAGRAPH 5 BELOW.

3.B.2. BE PERSONALLY INTERVIEWED BY A 1610 CURRENTLY PART OF THE TIO PROGRAM (IDEALLY NSWG 1/2 N39 OR SUPPACT 1/2 TIO LEAD).

3.C. FOR TACTICAL OPERATORS.

3.C.1. BE PAYGRADE E-5 AND ABOVE (WAIVERABLE TO E-4 FOR EXPERIENCED

APPLICANTS WITH UNIQUE SKILLS) IN THE FOLLOWING RATINGS:

3.C.1.A. CTI (MUST MEET NNWC MINIMUM LANGUAGE STANDARDS)

3.C.1.B. CTT (DESIRED NEC'S: 9102/9141)

3.C.1.C. CTR (DESIRED NEC'S: 9105/9138)

3.C.1.D. CTN (DESIRED NEC'S: 9306/9307)

3.C.2. MUST OBLIGATE SERVICE OF 60 MONTHS.

3.C.3. PASS PT TEST AS OUTLINED IN PARAGRAPH 5 BELOW.

3.C.4. BE PERSONALLY INTERVIEWED AS OUTLINED PARAGRAPH 4 BELOW.

3.D. FOR ANALYSTS.

3.D.1. BE PAYGRADE E-5 AND ABOVE, WAIVERABLE TO E-4 FOR EXPERIENCED APPLICANTS WITH UNIQUE SKILLS, IN THE FOLLOWING RATINGS:

3.D.1.A. CTI (MUST MEET NNWC MINIMUM LANGUAGE STANDARDS)

3.D.1.B. CTR (DESIRED NEC'S: 9105/9138)

3.D.1.C. CTN (DESIRED NEC'S: 9306/9307)

3.D.2. MUST OBLIGATE SERVICE OF 36 MONTHS.

3.D.3. BE PERSONALLY INTERVIEWED AS OUTLINED PARAGRAPH 4 BELOW.

4. PERSONAL INTERVIEW.  APPLICANTS WILL REQUEST A SCREENING INTERVIEW THROUGH THEIR CURRENT CO [NOTE: COMMAND'S SHOULD ENSURE CANDIDATES ARE CAPABLE OF PASSING PT TEST OUTLINED PARAGRAPH 5 PRIOR TO REQUESTING INTERVIEW].  THE PERSONAL INTERVIEW IS CONDUCTED TO ENSURE EACH APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THE NATURE OF THE TIO PROGRAM, ITS INITIAL TRAINING REQUIREMENTS, SERVICE OBLIGATION, AND POTENTIAL ASSIGNMENTS.  THE INTERVIEW WILL BE CHAIRED BY A QUALIFIED E-7 OR ABOVE TIO TACTICAL OPERATOR/RECRUITER AND BOARD OF PEERS (AT LEAST ONE) AT SUPPORT ACTIVITY ONE OR TWO:

4.A. CANDIDATES MUST PRESENT HEALTH AND PRT RECORDS, COPIES OF LAST

FIVE PERSONAL EVALUATIONS, HISTORY OF ASSIGNMENTS WITH DESCRIPTION OF DUTIES, AND COMMANDING OFFICER'S ENDORSEMENT.

4.B. BOARD WILL REVIEW ENTRY REQUIREMENTS SPECIFIED IN THIS

MESSAGE WITH APPLICANT AND ADDRESS ANY WAIVER REQUESTS.

4.C. DISCUSS THE NATURE OF TIO DUTY, INCLUDING TRAINING, ASSIGNMENTS, OPERATIONAL EMPLOYMENT/SCHEDULES, AND TOUR LENGTH.

4.D. DETERMINE APPLICANT'S REASON FOR VOLUNTEERING.

4.E. ASSESS MOTIVATION TO COMPLETE INITIAL TRAINING AND ABILITY TO OPERATE IN DEMANDING ENVIRONMENTS.

5. PHYSICAL SCREENING TEST.  THE PHYSICAL SCREENING TEST IS DESIGNED TO ASSESS EACH APPLICANT'S PHYSICAL ABILITY TO UNDERGO INITIAL/ADVANCED TRAINING.  THE TEST WILL BE ADMINISTERED IAW REF E, AS INDICATED BELOW BY NSW PHYSICAL SCREENING TEST ADMINISTRATORS AND NO WAIVERS WILL BE GRANTED FOR FAILURE OF ANY PORTION OF THE TEST.  THE BELOW SWIM/RUN TIMES AND PUSH-UP/SIT-UP/PULL-UP NUMBERS ARE MINIMUM STANDARDS ONLY; MAXIMUM EFFORT IS EXPECTED FOR EACH PORTION OF THE TEST AND WILL BE INDICATED ON THE SCREENING TEST REPORT SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.

  (1) 500-YARD (450-METER) SWIM USING BREAST AND/OR SIDESTROKE IN

UNDER 12 MINUTES AND 30 SECONDS

  -- 10-MINUTE REST -

  (2) 42 PUSH-UPS IN TWO MINUTES

  -- TWO-MINUTE REST -

  (3) 50 SIT-UPS IN TWO MINUTES

  -- TWO-MINUTE REST -

  (4) SIX PULL-UPS (NO TIME LIMIT)

  -- 10-MINUTE REST -

  (5) RUN ONE-AND-A-HALF MILES IN PT GEAR/RUNNING SHOES IN UNDER 11

MINUTES AND 30 SECONDS

6. NOTE: ABOVE REQUIREMENTS OUTLINE THE BASELI

Comment by Craig on February 8, 2011 at 10:37am

Dorri - The two biggies in Maryland are Fort Meade & Suitland....

 

Pat - Here is the words directly from the Navy "

Following completion of basic CTR technical training, graduates may expect assignment to sea duty in the United States or worldwide overseas to such locations as Hawaii, Bahrain, Spain, England, Japan or Australia.  Sixty percent of "A" school graduates get immediate follow-on specialized "C" school training; the remainder go directly to their initial operational assignment. "

 

Why the Navy hasn't let her get a NEC is beyond me.  I know there is a shortage of CTR 9105's and 9138's....  In fact, they sent out this message...  I beleive women are eligible...  (Sorry everyone for the long post)

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UNCLASSIFIED//

FM COMNAVSPECWARCOM CORONADO CA

TO COMNAVPERSCOM MILLINGTON TN//PERS-408/PERS-472//

INFO CNO WASHINGTON DC//N132D8/N20//

COMNAVNETWARCOM NORFOLK VA(SC)//

COMLANTFLT NORFOLK VA//

COMPACFLT PEARL HARBOR HI//N3DC//

COMNAVSPECWARGRU ONE//N2/N3//

COMNAVSPECWARGRU TWO//N2/N3//

COMNAVSPECWARGRU THREE//N2/N3//

COMNAVSPECWARGRU FOUR//N2/N3//

NAVSPECWARCEN CORONADO CA//N01/BTO//

COMNAVSPECWARDEVGRU DAM NECK VA//N2/N3//

BT

UNCLAS

MSGID/GENADMIN/COMNAVSPECWARCOM/-/JUL//

SUBJ/NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE TACTICAL INFORMATION OPERATIONS SCREENING

/PROCESS//

REF/A/MSG/CNSWC/242019ZJUN2004/-/NOTAL//

REF/B/MSG/CNSWC/152129ZDEC2005/-/NOTAL//

REF/C/MSG/CNSWC/232108ZAUG2007/-/NOTAL//

REF/D/DOC/MILPERSMAN 1306-984/24JUN2008//

REF/E/DOC/MILPERSMAN 1220-100 EXHIBIT 1/21AUG2002//

NARR/REF A IS ORIGINAL NSWC TACTICAL CRYPTOLOGIC SUPPORT (TCS) SCREENING PROCESS.  REF B DESCRIBES NAVSOF INFORMATION OPERATIONS PROGRAM.  REF C IS NSW TACTICAL INFORMATION OPERATIONS (TIO) PROGRAM UPDATE.  REF D IS MILPERSMAN ARTICLE DESCRIBING REQUIREMENTS FOR TIO PROGRAM. REF E IS MILSPERSMAN PHYSICAL SCREENING TEST ARTICLE.//

POC/VICTOR SPEARS/LCDR/N39/CNSWC/-/TEL:619-437-5422//

POC/JEFFREY MILSTEAD/CTTCS(SWCC/SW/AW)/N39/CNSWC/-/TEL:619-437-0811//

RMKS/

1. THIS MESSAGE UPDATES AND EXPANDS THE NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE (NSW) TACTICAL INFORMATION OPERATIONS (TIO) SCREENING PROCESS PROVIDING AMPLIFYING INFORMATION WRT SCREENING CANDIDATES FOR POSITIONS AS ANALYSTS OR TACTICAL OPERATORS WITHIN THE NSW TIO PROGRAM. THIS MESSAGE SUPERSEDES REF A.

2. PER REFS B AND C, THE TIO (FORMERLY TCS) MISSION HAS EVOLVED TO PRIMARILY SUPPORT DIRECT ACTION/SPECIAL RECONNAISSANCE MISSIONS IN SUPPORT OF THE WAR ON TERRORISM WHILE MAINTAINING INHERENT CAPABILITY TO PROVIDE FORCE PROTECTION AND INDICATIONS AND WARNING.  AS OUTLINED REF A, NO FORMAL COURSE OF INSTRUCTION EXISTS TO ASSESS AND TRAIN CANDIDATES FOR THE TIO PROGRAM.  AS SUCH, AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH REF D, IT IS ESSENTIAL APPLICANTS UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE ASSIGNMENT AND SATISFY SCREENING AND ENTRY REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED THIS MESSAGE.

3. VOLUNTEERS FOR THE TIO PROGRAM MUST SATISFY BELOW ENTRY REQUIREMENTS AND BE APPROVED BY NSW PRIOR TO BEING ISSUED PCS ORDERS.  NAVPERSCOM (PERS-408/PERS-472), BY DIRECTION OF NSWC, MAY WAIVE ONE OR MORE ENTRY REQUIREMENTS, IF APPLICANT IS CONSIDERED OTHERWISE QUALIFIED:

3.A. FOR ALL CANDIDATES.

3.A.1. DISCUSS CAREER AND ORDERS ELIGIBILITY WITH NAVPERS PRIOR TO BEGINNING SCREENING COORDINATION WITH NSW.

3.A.2. NO MINIMUM/MAXIMUM AGE LIMITATIONS.

3.A.3. ALL PERSONNEL EVALUATION TRAIT MARKS OF 3.0 OR HIGHER FOR THE PAST THREE EVALS/FITREPS.

3.A.4. HAVE A CLEAR DISCIPLINARY RECORD FOR PREVIOUS THREE YEARS (NO

NON-JUDICIAL PUNISHMENTS/COURTS-MARTIAL OR SERIOUS CIVIL COURT CONVICTIONS), TO INCLUDE FAMILY ADVOCACY PROGRAM (FAP) CASES.  

3.A.5. POSSESS A TOP SECRET, SENSITIVE COMPARTMENTED INFORMATION

SECURITY CLEARANCE BASED ON A CURRENT SINGLE SCOP

Comment by DorriO on February 8, 2011 at 8:51am

Craig, where is the duty station in Maryland?  Since we live in Northern VA, MD is our close neighbor.  It'd be cool if son went there -- or Hawaii... I assume we can visit? 

Comment by Pat on February 8, 2011 at 4:28am

Just curious. My daughter is a CTR1 and has been in six years and still not gone to C school. Her first duty station was Misawa, Japan and now she is on USS Kearsarge currently out where she is the LPO. She knows her next station will be Everett, WA when she gets back so still no C school looming.

Comment by Craig on February 8, 2011 at 2:01am

Man the CT section is hopping tonight...Woo-hoo!

 

cinder - Go to this link, and you'll find out what a CAC card reader is.  It is a very powerful tool that I think all sailors should have.    http://www.navyfamilies.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=17616

 

7ish - There is no "C" school.  Just "A" and "C".  It's funny, on some of the Navy rating sheets they show a class "D" school on some.  That is a typo....

 

Janet - Man, those CTI's use to take a United flight and since the hub is Denver my wife and I went to the airport twice to meet 2 CTI we had on my website and bought them lunch.  I guess they don't use United anymore, or they use a different hub. 

I truly think if 7ish daughter gets 2nd class swimmer, she could go right after CTI school. They need young professional on those aircraft.   

 

Upon graduation from CTI “A” school, CTI’s are stationed at one of four duty stations in Maryland, Georgia, Texas, and Hawaii.  The majority of all CTI billets are located at these duty stations, and virtually all billets for each language are located at a single duty station.  Therefore, CTI’s can expect to spend a significant portion of their careers in one location.  This concentration of billets makes spouse co-location with non CT Sailors and other service branch members extremely difficult.

 

Sea duty for CTI’s includes duty as Navy Aircrewmen, and temporary assignments on board ships and submarines.  All applicants for CTI are required to volunteer for duty involving aerial flight, and all male applicants are required to volunteer for duty on board submarines.  (This volunteer statement must be made with the expectancy that they will qualify for both Aircrew and Submarine duty.  This requirement is stated in MILPERSMAN 1306-618, CTI SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS:  Males may be assigned to duty in submarines or duty involving aerial flight.  Females may be assigned duty involving flight.)  There are also some opportunities for assignment overseas.

 

Pat - Some sailors don't go to "C" school immediately.  Those that don't will go after their 1st duty station.  The Navy needs professionals that have a NEC.  Not having one doesn't help the Navy, it hurts them.  Most commands that have a non-"C" school graduate will send them to a "C" school on the commands dime.  That way they do get a trained person in a skill that is needed at that command.  I

I posted the NEC manual about 2 days ago, go search on CTR's.  They are in the 9100 series.  Just a word of advice from a guy that's been their, the most screwed up CTR "C" there is is 9169 Manaul Morse Code Intercept Operator, every person I know that has done that job has bad hearing now.  It totally wacks out your hearing.  Tell your sailor to NOT BE A DITTY CHASER....  

 

Comment by Pat on February 7, 2011 at 11:59pm

Craig, If your sailor does not go to C school right away after A school how long usually before they get assigned a C school? Or do some not got?

Comment by 7isheaven on February 7, 2011 at 10:03pm

I don't think she's gotten to swimming yet. Just had her teeth pulled this past week- whatever week that is. . . lol

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