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Comment by Anna on April 20, 2012 at 10:57pm

Mary,

I agree 100% but I don't know if N4Ms admin has changed their rules or not.  When I see new members join one of my groups I always see where admin and some other long time members send the welcome greeting which still enforces the rules of no last names.  And I have seen the same things you mention about navy pictures.  Sooooo I don't know!!!  That's a question we need to have admin address.  In the meantime I just still let new people know until admin says don't worry.

Yes, I still have the same number and yes, we do need to do some catching up!!!!  Lets try for early next week because then I'm getting ready for Jenn's graduation.

Comment by Mary (Chris' mom) on April 20, 2012 at 10:27pm

Anna, I meant to ask you also...your number still the same? I need to catch up with ya by phone sometime soon.....mine is still the same so you can text me n let me know. :-)

Comment by Mary (Chris' mom) on April 20, 2012 at 10:23pm

Anna,

I have a question concerning that issue. You know we have always been careful here about posting such things as last names and we have devised ways around confusion which works for us. I followed Chris when he was on ship recently and even posted his pic here. It was released along with many others to the ship's facebook page by the Mass Communications folks. It not only showed him and one of the commanding pilots but tells their names and rates (ok, rank for the pilot) It was that way on most all of the photos released by the ship. So my question is, what is the difference? I don't have a problem with keeping our sailors safe but then the Navy goes and posts not just pics of them, but announces their names (first and last). Hmmmm.........

DrewSwags Mom, I'm going to assume that the Swags part is a nickname. It's all cool with me....welcome aboard.  

Comment by Anna on April 20, 2012 at 2:52pm

DrewSwags Mom,

I hope you are not using your son's last name here or anywhere on the N4Ms website.  Last names are taboo and actually a breech of OPSEC.

Comment by DrewSwags Mom Shp 3 Div173 on April 20, 2012 at 1:31pm

I too must commend your post Foreign Intel Officer. (new to the site). I work for the navy, and what he says is true. Girlfriends, Mothers and friends, talk about what is positive to your sailor. They have enough to deal with right now. Oh and, what you post (loose lip conversation, questions and all that) will fall upon the very sailor that you are trying to find out about. They get into trouble for what you do, so please stop. If you were meant to know any of the information you seek, you would be in boot camp not your SR at this point. If they can they will tell you what they can, but you should never ask questions, especially in these fields. Let them have a grown moment, after all they were grown enough to make the decision to join this group. I am proud of my son and know he will share what he can and what he can't will not part his lips. I raised him that way.

Comment by Laura on April 18, 2012 at 1:17am

IS Stephanie - Has your boyfriend signed a contract and swore in yet?  S-PACT is most commonly referred to as being "undesignated".  While this does give him a day to day overview of naval operations, it has some drawbacks.

Last I heard, an undesignated sailor has to stay as such for two years.  Someone correct me if this has changed.

Also, there are no promotions while undesignated.  A sailor needs a rate (job) to be promoted into once the qualification for advancement of that rate have been met.  Since he does not have a specific job (rate), he cannot be promoted.

Sailors with top secret clearances are highly sought after in the civilian workplace because it is very expensive and time consuming to obtain a TS clearance in the civilian world.  They are good for five years I believe.  The job he may qualify for depends on which job within the IS field he is assigned to perform.

Comment by Laura on April 12, 2012 at 12:22am

IS Stephanie - being able to reside with your spouse has more to do with location and less to do with the type of jod he has.  Certain assignments are "unaccompanied".  No spouse, no family.  The region is either too unstable or there aren't any facilities to support family members.

Even if you are with your spouse, there are times that he may be gone on an assignment for a period of time.  You may or may not know where or for how long.

You are better off not asking.  Don't put him in an awkward position.  Silence is golden.  Been married for over 25 years and my logic is that since he can't divulge secrets, I don't want to know because I don't want to become a bargaining chip.  I can never be used against him because I honestly don't know.

Comment by Kim on April 11, 2012 at 11:09pm

I can speak as a "mom" that I know where my son is all the time! Except when the ship he is on is in River City ( no communications) there is no secret as to where he is.

Comment by Gingerman on April 11, 2012 at 11:07pm

Depending on what the IS does, there is more or less that they can share.  I'm sure the sailors are told what they can share, and with whom.  Including relatives can be a big mistake.  In some cases, it could put them at risk as well as the sailor.  My son just pleads ignorance to me and to some superior officers.

We were on an AirForce base, and my son was wearing a fairly strange uniform with shoulder patches that were unfamiliar, and at the BX, a Brigadier Gen. came up and looked my son up and down and asked, "What the hell are you?"  My son responded with his name and rate, and when asked what his assignment is, answered, "I don't know, Sir."  The General got the message.

Remember OPSEC!!

Comment by Mom2aSailor on April 5, 2012 at 10:55am

I don't know. I know my dd was never allowed to wear her uniform off base.  Too much unwanted attention, esp. for an IS.

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