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Link to Navy Speak - Navy Terms & Acronyms: Navy Speak

All Hands Magazine's full length documentary "Making a Sailor": This video follows four recruits through Boot Camp in the spring of 2018 who were assigned to DIV 229, an integrated division, which had PIR on 05/25/2018. 

Boot Camp: Making a Sailor (Full Length Documentary - 2018)

Boot Camp: Behind the Scenes at RTC

...and visit - America's Navy and also Navy Live - The Official Blog of the Navy to learn more.

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**UPDATE 4/26/2022** Effective with the May 6, 2022 PIR 4 guests will be allowed.  Still must be fully vaccinated to attend.

**UPDATE as of 11/10/2022 PIR vaccination is no longer required.

**UPDATE 7/29/2021** You now must be fully vaccinated in order to attend PIR:

In light of observed changes and impact of the Coronavirus Delta Variant and out of an abundance of caution for our recruits, Sailors, staff, and guests, Recruit Training Command is restricting Pass-in-Review (recruit graduation) to ONLY fully immunized guests (14-days post final COVID vaccination dose).  


RTC Graduation

**UPDATE 8/25/2022 - MASK MANDATE IS LIFTED.  Vaccinations still required.

**UPDATE 11/10/22 PIR - Vaccinations no longer required.


Please note! Changes to this guide happened in October 2017. Tickets are now issued for all guests, and all guests must have a ticket to enter base. A separate parking pass is no longer needed to drive on to base for parking.

Please see changes to attending PIR in the PAGES column. The PAGES are located under the member icons on the right side.

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 First off ladies my heart goes out to you for supporting your love one's. It's not the end of the world to be classified undes. I should know I was way back in the 70's ha ha . I had the best times of my life in the Navy. My buddies were jealous as hell, I got orders for the West Indies paradise is what it  was. Anyways I have a daughter who will be joining the Navy soon. And this old salt will recommend the undesighnted way of life to her. Its good ole fashion on the job trainning. Gives them plenty of time to know what they really want. I'am sure I'll be on here again.

                                                                                               By David B.

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Thanks David! Its these words of encouragement that will get me thru. My son leaves 8/12 for BC and is going in undesignated, simply because there where not any other jobs available for him and wanted to get his career started. He has a 69 on his ASVAB, so we are hoping for some great opportunities to open for him!

Thanks again for sharing! Best of luck to your daughter and Gob Bless!
I can say that my son went in last Aug as undesignated , he PIR on in October. This Jan he was on the Admiral of the 7th fleet ship the USS Blue Ridge and is stationed out of Yokosuka Japan
he went to Saporro Japan for the famous Ice festival, he spent Chinese new year in the largest chinatown in the world, he has been on the world 3rd largest ferris wheel, euro disney, toyko, drank habu sake ----
He just went on his first cruise
he has now been to 2 Korea ports
Hong Kong China
Thialand (for the worlds largest water fight)
Russia (to march in a parade to commemorate WWII allied forces)

and indeed he is undesigated, yep that paint scraper (which he doesnt do anymore then anyone else)

best choice my son ever made was UD ---- --- Oh my how I worried thinking all bad things.
BUT I came to this room and the moms explained stories and I listened to the words the kiddos said ---HOLY SMOKES I almost told my son run run run to the recruiters office and take Undesignated.
The stories in the room range and vary ---but oh la la they are all great , all these kids are doing amazing interesting things

Let me tell you I would in a blink of an eye change place with my UD son ---- without question.
And he has been in (including Boot camp time) 9 months ------ UD all the way baby !!!
What an awesome story Mollymom, and one that will no doubt stay in my thoughts as my sons begins his adventure. The sense of relief that you have given me is so appreciated. While I wish that letting him go was as easy as coming to terms with the "UD" plan, I have faith that this is an incredible journey for us both!

Thank you again, God Bless!

Okay so you basically telling us the Undesignated is better choices? My daugther is in BC right now and her PIR will be August 24th> I see all the paperworks that went back to me it says there she is Undesignated. So this is good like you said. This means I need not to worry about it correct? I know she wants to travel around Asia and Europe hopefully she can go to Japan. I will go see her there. Love Japan that's for sure. I lived there for good 3 years. I cried when we go back to the States. I have two cousins that still in Japan and they have dual citizenship.

Thanks my son PIR is 11/21/14. Then he goes to A school in PCOLA. I'm just worried he won't like the jobs he is assigned. I want hom to enjoy the experience.

Thank you! My son is PACT Seaman.  He is going to Japan soon! We are very excited for him and I appreciate your story because he has joked about being a paint chipper... lol! He is the first in our family to join the military, so all of this is new to us.  N4M has been a lifesaver! Love reading stories and getting info from all the other moms.  God bless you and your sailor.

Read some of the other UNDIES stories on other sites... Mitch too has had a great experience and is glad he went UNDIES.  Stay strong and set your mind to a great experience as YOU are the only one that can make it a GREAT experience..

Thank you for sharing your story, and congratulations on your daughter joining our brave sons and daughters. My son became undes through circumstances that he did not choose, but has dealt with the cons of the situation with poise and vigor. He loves the Navy, like his father did, and as his grandpa did. Believe me when I say there has been a lot of loud crowing about three generations being Navy men!!! I believe it helped him to learn the value of hard work, while learning a wide range of jobs. Now, he has been rated a little over a year, and just today was informed he has been promoted to BM3.....HooRah!!!!! The Navy is the best decision our son has made in his young life. He would tell you that if he was here, but he's at his first choice duty station: Hawaii (suffering in paradise!!!). Best wishes to you and your family as you begin your new Navy adventure.
David B. Thank you so very much. We moms can tell the newer families that undesignated isn't a "bad" thing...but it means so much more when it comes from someone who has been there. My son wen kicking and screaming into undesignated when he was dropped from A school due to physical reasons.....rated as a GM just short of a year and now says the rate he'd originally chosen would have been a mistake. Talk about your worst mightmare becoming your best blessing!!!!
Hello all,

Does anyone know of an undesignated sailor trying to trade orders with someone else?
If so, please message me!

(in regards to West Coast/East Coast orders)

Thanks :)
Thanks for your reply!

As far as cutting out certain "swaps" due to costs, does that also apply to sailors who would pay for it out of their own pocket?

Please let me know.
Thanks you!
Do you know if you can pick up a job or pick up an A school in BC if you are undes? are they likely to be stationed certain places than others? What would the chances be of getting Florida? our son and myself live in florida and i currently have about a year left in med school and i cannot move until finished.


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