This site is for mothers of kids in the U.S. Navy and for Moms who have questions about Navy life for their kids.



Choose your Username.  For the privacy and safety of you and/or your sailor, NO LAST NAMES ARE ALLOWED, even if your last name differs from that of your sailor (please make sure your URL address does not include your last name either).  Also, please do not include your email address in your user name. Go to "Settings" above to set your Username.  While there, complete your Profile so you can post and share photos and videos of your Sailor and share stories with other moms!

Make sure to read our Community Guidelines and this Navy Operations Security (OPSEC) checklist - loose lips sink ships!

Join groups!  Browse for groups for your PIR date, your sailor's occupational specialty, "A" school, assigned ship, homeport city, your own city or state, and a myriad of other interests. Jump in and introduce yourself!  Start making friends that can last a lifetime.

Link to Navy Speak - Navy Terms & Acronyms: Navy Speak

All Hands Magazine's full length documentary "Making a Sailor": This video follows four recruits through Boot Camp in the spring of 2018 who were assigned to DIV 229, an integrated division, which had PIR on 05/25/2018. 

Boot Camp: Making a Sailor (Full Length Documentary - 2018)

Boot Camp: Behind the Scenes at RTC

...and visit - America's Navy and also Navy Live - The Official Blog of the Navy to learn more.

OPSEC - Navy Operations Security

Always keep Navy Operations Security in mind.  In the Navy, it's essential to remember that "loose lips sink ships."  OPSEC is everyone's responsibility. 

DON'T post critical information including future destinations or ports of call; future operations, exercises or missions; deployment or homecoming dates.  

DO be smart, use your head, always think OPSEC when using texts, email, phone, and social media, and watch this video: "Importance of Navy OPSEC."

Follow this link for OPSEC Guidelines:



**UPDATE 4/26/2022** Effective with the May 6, 2022 PIR 4 guests will be allowed.  Still must be fully vaccinated to attend.

**UPDATE as of 11/10/2022 PIR vaccination is no longer required.

**UPDATE 7/29/2021** You now must be fully vaccinated in order to attend PIR:

In light of observed changes and impact of the Coronavirus Delta Variant and out of an abundance of caution for our recruits, Sailors, staff, and guests, Recruit Training Command is restricting Pass-in-Review (recruit graduation) to ONLY fully immunized guests (14-days post final COVID vaccination dose).  


RTC Graduation

**UPDATE 8/25/2022 - MASK MANDATE IS LIFTED.  Vaccinations still required.

**UPDATE 11/10/22 PIR - Vaccinations no longer required.


Please note! Changes to this guide happened in October 2017. Tickets are now issued for all guests, and all guests must have a ticket to enter base. A separate parking pass is no longer needed to drive on to base for parking.

Please see changes to attending PIR in the PAGES column. The PAGES are located under the member icons on the right side.

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Visite esta página para explorar en su idioma las oportunidades de educación y carreras para sus hijos en el Navy.


Sheila Clark

Undesignated...What's Up With That?


Undesignated...What's Up With That?

A place for Moms of Undesignated Sailors to share concerns and support each other.

Members: 458
Latest Activity: Jul 17, 2022

Discussion Forum

Nothing Wrong with Undesignated Sailor!

Started by David B. Last reply by NavyBrat Oct 29, 2017. 55 Replies

So I am freaking out a bit!

Started by tracemc. Last reply by NavyBrat Oct 29, 2017. 4 Replies

Undes 2017

Started by Melissagonavy. Last reply by NavyBrat Oct 29, 2017. 8 Replies

Comment Wall


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Comment by NavyBrat on June 29, 2018 at 9:21pm

however, your husband's evaluation was unusually high for a non-rate.

Comment by NavyBrat on June 29, 2018 at 9:18pm

4.0 was highest when I was in.

Comment by Michael on June 29, 2018 at 9:16pm
Ummm I call BS my husband was undes fireman he revived a 4.6 and got a EP so yes a undes can get higher.
Comment by NavyBrat on June 29, 2018 at 7:11pm

The Navy needs to fix that.

Comment by NavyBrat on June 29, 2018 at 7:11pm

I feel the evaluations which are often quite subjective are over valued in the final score a sailor receives on the rating exam.

I've seen the finest men not make petty officer due to the color of their skin and the evaluations they were given while the worst men were promoted due to the evaluations they were given. Lower evaluations for blacks is normal. Lower evaluations for undesignated sailors is normal too.

Comment by NavyBrat on June 29, 2018 at 7:05pm

The "A" school graduate will receive the 4.0, 4.0, and 4.0 evaluations because the Navy spent money educating him and they want to keep him.

The undesignated sailor will likely see no higher evaluation than 3.6, 3.6, 3.6 for his overall evaluations because 3.6 means promote, 3.8 means must promote, and 4.0 means early promote. Must promote and early promote are given when the sailor proves he has the competence in the rating, which is something by definition most non-rates can't prove due to the fact that they have no rating yet.

Comment by NavyBrat on June 29, 2018 at 7:00pm

Meanwhile, the Navy needs to take another look at the evaluations issue.

Let's take a look. Let's say an "A" school graduate receives 3 evaluations 4.0, 4.0, and 4.0 and an undesignated sailor receives 3 evaluations 3.6, 3.6, and 3.6. Pretty normal evaluations for both as I'll explain later. The problem with those evaluations is the "A" school graduate can score 0 on the rating exam and still achieve a higher score than the undesignated sailor who scored 100% on the same rating exam. Guess who gets the promotion? To score the same score with 100%, the undesignated sailor needs 3.6, 3.6, and 3.8 evaluations. Essentially, if the "A" school graduate gets 5% on the exam, the undesignated sailor scoring 100% has no way to catch him when the "A" school graduate has 4.0, 4.0, and 4.0 evaluations.

Comment by NavyBrat on June 29, 2018 at 6:45pm

I hope the Navy begins to recognize that "A" schools can be taught online while the sailors are at their first command and that it would actually be good for the Navy for the sailors to complete as many "A" schools as possible. Cheaper and more diverse for the Navy. Career oriented sailors in particular should be multi-rated. Why? Knowledge increases a person's self-worth and increases their job satisfaction.

Comment by fayegirrl4* on June 29, 2018 at 4:28pm

Hello all!  I read posts but do not post myself as things seem to be going ok for both of our sailors. Sailor #2 is in San Diego and S-PACT.  I read Barbara's comment about her daughter going into the New PACT program. I am curious to hear more in the coming months.  Our sailor went through PIR 1/27/17 and is STILL UNDES.  He is getting ready for deployment and we have our fingers crossed that his counselor will be able to get him his rate before they leave. He's doing ok but obviously would LOVE to have a rate so he can start testing and advancing ( if possible) . However, as we all know, the needs of the Navy come first and if there aren't any OPEN spots in a chosen rate then.....

Barbara-- best of luck to your daughter!  Welcome to the group!

Comment by Barbara on June 29, 2018 at 2:14pm

Oh.... the new program started June 1, 2018 so there isn't a whole lot of information available yet


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