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Comment by kim on November 7, 2014 at 12:45am

I understand why some of you are upset. You have good reason. No one likes to see their child treated unfairly. I have to leave this group. Everytime I am feeling positive about my son's navy future someone from this group posts all this negativity and it gives me pits in my stomach. I'm sorry for the bad experiences. I can only hope my son's experience is better. But I do feel bad for those treated wrongly. I just can't read anymore of this. It's too discouraging and I want to stay positive for my son. Best to all of you.

Comment by Up&Down on November 7, 2014 at 12:35am

I have an 8 hour drive tomorrow to Chicago and very tired right now, but before I go to bed I want to finish talking about why some moms don't like undesignated.    Because I'm tired I'm going to just itemized thoughts here and it might be fragmented but I hope you get the jest:

Son graduates from college.  College education is paid by parents.  He's not ready for the working world 9-5 grind.  Wants something more.  Goes to local Navy Recruiting Center and talks with recruiter. Son starts working out more (he's always been athletic & in shape) runs, diets, lift weights swims, swims some more....now feels ready to sign for the Seal Contract which means he's a depper....won't join until he gets contract but takes the ABSVAB test.  Ready now to meet with Seal mentor.  It's a group of guys just like him who meet once a week and swims, runs, does push ups.....this is what it takes to make timed PSAT test.  Every other week it's a PSAT test.  Must pass.  If passes with great times, name gets put into the list to get picked for Seal Contract.  This continues for at least a year ( sometimes longer for some guys)....He gets picked and 4-5 mos. later is off to Boot Camp.

In the meantime....parents say at least go the Officer Candidate route but son wants to enlist so he has at least two chances to become a Seal.

Son starts Phase One of buds approx 4 mos after PIR but rings the bell due to some circumstance and everything they have worked so hard for comes to a complete halt.

No jobs available that are rated after talking with Career Counselor.  Career Counselor doesn't seem to care....just hurry up and make a decision.  After stalling, he signs the Undesignated paperwork.

College educated, chipping paint, mopping deck.  No time off as he sees little shits who have a rate chuckle and ridicule him for doing thankless job.

Now you tell me.....would you be bitter?????????

"To understand is to understand"   where some moms are coming from.

Mom worries about her depressed son because he feels like a failure.  Mom doesn't understand....but son you have a college education?!!!!  It means nothing going the enlisted route for a Seal Contract.  These guys that don't make it are forgotten.  These are good men.  Men of valor that set out for high goals.  Good men not being worked to their fullest potential because of bull shit "good ole boy" mentality.

I say before anybody gets a rate....they should be mopping floors, chipping paint, cleaning toilets.  Not fair for an educated guy not to get a rate similar to his college degree.

Good night.  Have a great weekend.  I hope you understand.

Comment by CrackerjackMom on November 7, 2014 at 12:01am

NavyBrat, can you please explain what you are relieved about, and what you meant by you were worried about my son and myself.

Comment by Up&Down on November 6, 2014 at 11:59pm

I keep writing and deleting my next part to why some moms don't like Undesignated......I haven't forgotten......to be continued

Comment by NavyBrat on November 6, 2014 at 8:28pm

The "golden boys" of the haves are never sent "cranking". Their handlers keep them from associating with the non-rates. The Navy itself assumes the non-rates are not fit company for the "golden boys".

Comment by NavyBrat on November 6, 2014 at 8:24pm

To better understand the Navy moms, allow me to put it in civilian terms.

There are three kinds of sailors.

The super haves. (Officers)

The haves. (A school graduates)

And the have nots. (Non-rates are lowest of this group)

The super haves and the haves have "golden boys" the have nots do not have "golden boys".

Comment by NavyBrat on November 6, 2014 at 8:15pm

Currently, across the nation, one of the nation's largest vendors is fulfilling its contracts with the Federal government and State governments on time and under budget.

I think that if I was able to do it, your sons and daughters will be able to do it too.Personally, I think the undesignated program needs to be replaced by a multi-discipline program.

Comment by NavyBrat on November 6, 2014 at 8:06pm

CrackerJackmom, that's a relief to know. I was worried about your son and about you. 

I'm here to answer moma' questions about the Navy's undesignated quota based system. 

I'm not angry nor negative nor really old, I'm just brutally honest while trying to filter out most of the stuff that may frighten the moms.  

Comment by CrackerjackMom on November 6, 2014 at 12:07am

NavyBrat, you are one confusing person and I find you somewhat amusing. For someone that is in law and facts, ……in what i’m not sure,  you certainly don’t have your facts straight. 

First of all I don’t know what you are talking about when you  refer to me.

My husband was never in the Navy. I have a son and a daughter in the Navy. One went in rated the other undesignated. I wound’t say “pain” is the correct word to use. I would say they each had “different" experiences. They are different people, put both my kids in the same situation and they will both react differently. 

I really think you’re missing the whole point of this site. I believe I can speak for a lot of the people that the purpose of this site is “support” and nothing more. When I first joined the group I never expected to get the answers that I as a parent could pass on to my sailor and fix it all. I was just glad to hear there were others going through the same thing. 

As the loved one left behind our imaginations run wild whether the sailor is rated or undesignated. And if I did’t know any better I think you get a kick out of feeding on the fears of others. Because you are not helping anyone.

I believe it was you that said your mission is to not have anyone go in undesignated (correct me if I’m wrong), but this is not the place, anyone on here already has an undesignated sailor. Find the site were the Deppers are. They are ones you want to talk with.  

Your friend was correct in saying “ I only lose if I let the situation get me down."

You obviously didn't listened to your friend or don’t believe that was good advice, because you are not passing it on to us. Whatever happened to you in the Navy has made you a very bitter and negative person. And personally I believe whatever you went through you most likely brought it on yourself with that attitude. 

I for one would love to hear your story from the day you took your oath till the day you became a civilian.  Because your comments are all over the place, it is hard to take you seriously, I believe you are the one who is drunk. 

And while I’m on my soapbox……I want to say that Angie is a wealth of knowledge, she never sugarcoated anything and just said what needed to be said. I would take her words over yours any day. 

For the record, if someone were to ask my daughter or me if they should go in undesignated......we would both say wait and go in rated. Yes, the sure thing is usually better then the unknown. But for some it may be their only way to get in, and they may need the job.......after all, thats what it is, a job.

Navy Brat, For all I know you may be in you 30’s, but you come across as a crotchety, bitter old man. And to that I say “Get off my lawn!!!”

Comment by Up&Down on November 5, 2014 at 11:10pm

I know all the Mom's on here would rather hear all the positive things going on with their Sailor with their journey going the Undesignated route......but, unfortunately, some Sailors find the undesignated route an undesirable route to take.  Sort of a "not good enough" for a rate attitude..........I do believe that there is a stigma amongst the Sailors with undes.  Let's face it, the Navy needs janitors and painters, too. Would that your first choice - undesignated- knowing that possibility? I think not.  But what really pisses me off is when I hear that our Sailors who are mopping the decks or chipping paint are mocked & ridiculed by rated Sailors. Why aren't the hecklers reprimanded!!!!!

So, personally, I don't think going Undesignated would be my first pick I would recommend trying to strike for a rate.

********my next post will tell another story, with hopes that you ladies will better understand why some moms feel bitter.

To be continued..................

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