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Comment by J/J Mom on March 8, 2013 at 7:17pm

Arwen -- just to let you know, the dual-credits our ds earned DID count the same as transfer credits at Marquette U, so you'd better contact the various University Admissions offices to confirm one way or the other. 

Comment by Arwen on March 8, 2013 at 6:19pm

He's the commanding officer of the NJROTC region, and is the one who selects his region's candidates for the 100 NJROTC candidates for NROTC.

He also said that the dual enrollment credits taken while in high school are not counted the same as a "transfer student" who earned credits after graduation. It is considered to be a different category entirely. Otherwise, yes, they do have to have the same academic criteria as the regular applicants. All of the qualified NJROTC cadets are competing for those 100 slots.

He told me that in addition to the 100 slots reserved for NJROTC students, about 50 NJROTC students also earn the "regular" slots each year, competing with all other students.

There are also a certain number of qualified NJROTC students (60, I believe) who get a USNA nomination each year, and do not have to go through their congressman. Each NJROTC unit that earns "Distinguished Unit" award gets to nominate 3 cadets (they are called cadets, not midshipmen, in NJROTC) and those units which earn "Distinguished Unit with Honors" gets to nominate 3 additional cadets any US military academy. My daughter's unit earned the Honors award last year and only four juniors actually applied for these slots. I don't know if they were all qualified, though. I'm hoping her unit earns it again next year, because only juniors are considered for this nomination, and she's only a sophomore now.

Comment by Arwen on March 8, 2013 at 12:35am

I had a semi-random chance to talk to a captain who is in charge of these things around here. He said that not only are students in my daughter's program admitted as a freshman with sophomore or junior status, but are eligible for the scholarship program. He said it's a good idea, that it opens her possibilities once she gets to the university, and success in the community college courses show that she can be successful at the college level. I also learned that there are 100 NROTC scholarships held in reserve just for NJROTC grads, and she would be eligible for one of these. So her NJROTC experience definitely could help her to get in.

Comment by kgrmom on March 5, 2013 at 3:37pm

Jn/Jf mom-  that's kinda funny because I sent that same article to my DD who is an Ens. because her 1st deployment is coming up and so many of her friend's deployments are getting cancelled or put on hold.  In fact, her apt. is in limbo land right now because her roommate has decided not renew on the lease because she will be out on deployment.  And now, that ship is sitting at the pier... on indefinite hold, and all her stuff is in storage- ugh (that is her roommate). 

As far as they know -nothing is definitive.  What a frustration on top of an already difficult situation for so many people.

Comment by Arwen on March 5, 2013 at 1:13pm

Jn/Jf mom, you're right, the dual-credit classes are *very* different from AP.

AP is designed for high schoolers, taught by high school teachers in high school classrooms, and takes a full year to complete 3 college credits - if students pass the exam.

Dual-credit is actual college classes, taken at the local accredited college with college professors, and each course takes a single semester for 3-5 college credits. Students who successfully complete the college class get high school credits for a full year of the equivalent class at the high school.

In our case, the school district pays for college tuition and fees while parents are only responsible for books and transportation. Students can either attend the college full time instead of the high school, or split classes between the college and high school, which can be difficult because the daily class schedules don't match up at all. The college is on a block class schedule, while the high school is a straight Monday through Friday six-period day. Dual enrollment students are considered high school students for the purpose of sports, marching band, and other extracurricular or competitive activities, so they remain connected to the high school that way.

Comment by J/J Mom on March 5, 2013 at 11:19am

Any word from any of your MIDN about summer cruises?  

My MIDN sent this link yesterday ...

http://www.navytimes.com/mobile/news/2013/03/navy-sequester-4-air-w...

and then later in the day said he thinks he'd better look for a summer job since he probably won't be going on cruise & will lose that $.

He never messaged back when i asked him if it was just his "assumption" there'd be no cruise, or if that was the scuttlebutt around the Unit. 

Comment by J/J Mom on March 5, 2013 at 11:15am

Arwen -- dual-credit is also what my son took.  It was a great advantage for him to have some "wiggle room" as RoTcMoM put it & to get a few of the gen-ed classes out of the way.  These, apparently, are quite different from AP, or so it seems from what everyone here is saying about AP. 

I'd still be concerned about her acquiring a NROTC scholarship, tho, if she will already be considered a sophomore in credit hours.  Be sure to check into that thoroughly.

Comment by Arwen on March 5, 2013 at 12:53am

So far all of my daughter's classes are Honors, except for one single AP class. Most AP classes in her high school are reserved for upperclassmen. I expect she will get a 4 or a 5 on the AP exam, I'm not even worried about it.

My daughter does not do well in non-honors classes. She tried a couple of "regular" classes as a freshman and nearly failed. She can't handle being surrounded by students who don't want to be there and are constant disruptions. As she described the class "the teacher spends all her time on discipline and never does any teaching." She has a low tolerance for that kind of atmosphere, and pulled her grade out of the hole only with a last-ditch effort. The next semester she transferred to Honors, and got much better grades, despite the higher work load.

The classes at the community college (dual-credit program) are guaranteed core transfers for the schools she plans to apply to (U Washington, Oregon State, U Colorado, U Cal Davis and U Idaho) through a written agreement. The community college had to be certified through U Washington to get the agreement, and the core science classes use the Penn State curriculum.

Comment by MJ~ Erik's mom on March 3, 2013 at 7:37pm

My son took and passed several AP classes in high school. He is in ROTC at Boston University studying mechanical engineering.. The college was willing to accept some of the AP classes, but his NROTC unit would not allow him to take the credits and expected him to retake the math and science classes.  They basically told him, he would not be able to keep up with his engineering  classes and requirements, because other students that tried it usually got behind and started to fail as the courses got more advanced. They made him retake everything and he is expected to complete this rigorous degree in 4 years, tops. It's unfortunate, because he thought by taking the classes in high school, he would lessen his load in college. Didn't happen! I can also say he pulls many all nighters to keep up with the tremendous amount of work that is required of him and his fellow engineer and pre-med students. He now says it's okay that he re-took the classes because he benefitted from the review and what he learned in his college classes was entirely different and so much more than his AP classes, which he passed with the highest score. Just wanted to tell you of his experience and give you another opinion on the matter. Good Luck!

Comment by kgrmom on March 3, 2013 at 6:08pm

Yes- Alaska Mom- I know exactly what you are referring to.  It was immensely frustrating to my daughter ( who was Chemical Engineering) to find out she would be ranked on the same scale as art history, poly sci, etc.  The course work is massively different and grading... she would have been in a much different place if she changed her major.  Instead she was sweating it out every year.  She made SWO-Nuke but it took Captain's request to get her an interview.

I agree also on the AP classes- there is such a huge push on them and most of them really don't pay off.  They don't all transfer to college credit (in ROTC it really doesn't matter cost wise).  Much of the time the kids don't realize it's not enough to just take the class- you have to score a 4 or a 5 to get any credit.  Not easy to do.

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