Great Info - PIR, Grad, Parking, etc...

[DeannaD-Bigpumpkin]

This really helped us. Lots to read though.

I found this on another discussion, thought we can post our questions and answers here to help each other out.

Here is a list of things I have seen asked about frequently. Feel free to cut and paste to posts elsewhere to answer people's questions about
PIR weekend.

Tickets
No, there are no actual physical tickets. Your sailor will provide a list
of names to the Navy, which will be put on a master graduation guest
list. When you arrive at Great Lakes they will ask your name and your
recruit's name and check the list. If you are on the list you will be
admitted.

Your recruit will only get four

, any extras have to wait outside until they know if there will be "overflow" space.
There is usually a decent chance to get a couple of extra people in at
small and medium size (10 or fewer) but don't try to get in
and extra 10. At larger graduations the hall is usually full and
"extras" are turned away.

If your recruit knows other recruits who don't have anyone coming, or who don't have all four of their slots
filled, they may add your recruit's extra guests to the list.

Hotels
There are a lot of hotels in the Great Lakes area to choose from. The closest
is Navy Lodge, which is within walking distance of RTC Great Lakes
gates. Many of their rooms include full kitchens. Ramada Inn, four
miles away, hosts a PIR Meet & Greet for families the night before
PIR. You do not have to be a guest at the Ramada to attend. The Ramada
also includes a pool.

Parking
There are two ways to get into PIR: drive on base with the parking pass,
which you can download and print out 11 days before PIR, or you can
take a shuttle (taxi) from your hotel which will let you off at the
gate.

http://www1.netc.navy.mil/nstc/rtcgl/upcoming_grads.asp

If you drive you will need to be ready for a lot of waiting: at the gate to get on base, at the parking area to check-in,
and again at MCPON Hall. Be prepared to be in line at the gate at 6
a.m. to get to your seats on time. Make sure you keep the form letter
that you received near the beginning
of boot camp. It has the password you will need to get the parking
pass. Be sure to type it in all capital letters.

If you take a shuttle (taxi) from your hotel to RTC Great Lakes you will
be let off at the gate. It is a shorter walk from the gate to MCPON
Hall than from the parking area and there are fewer (and often shorter)
lines for waiting.

Be prepared for the weather (cold, wet, hot, etc), you may be waiting outside for a while.

Seating
If possible, you will be seated in the stands across from the place where
your recruit's division will stand. If your recruit is in a 900
division this may not be possible, because they are spread out across
the entire hall.

Grad & Go
There are two types of "grad & go" sailors. Those who have a school at Great Lakes and those whose schools are elsewhere.

Those whose A school is at Great Lakes will return to barracks and move their
gear to A school. It will take a few hours, but after that they will
get weekend liberty.

Grad & Go sailors whose A school is not at GL may only have a few minutes with their family before leaving for
the airport, or may fly out on Saturday and will have Friday liberty.

In both cases, families may meet their sailor at the airport (at the USO) to spend some time with them before their flight.

Overnights
Sailors will NOT be allowed to stay with you in your hotel overnight. They must return
to their barracks or school each night BEFORE curfew. If they are not
in their barracks by that time, they may lose liberty for the remainder
of the weekend, so make sure they return early, just in case there is
heavy traffic or some other unexpected delay. RDCs do not accept
excuses.

Curfew varies, depending on the division. 8 p.m. is standard, but divisions may be able to earn (and lose!) extra hours, up
to midnight. Your recruit may not know his or her curfew until just
before they are released for liberty.

Monday holidays
Sailors who PIR before a Monday holiday often have that Monday for liberty.
Check with your sailor, not all holidays are Navy holidays!

Liberty range
Sailors can not travel more than 50 miles from Great Lakes. No exceptions, even if your home is only 55 miles away.

"Liberty" vs "Leave"
"Liberty" is a short period of time a sailor has off, usually a weekend, lasts 72
hours or less, and are restricted to an area within 50 miles from base.
This is a fleet-wide policy, not just boot camp, to make sure sailors
can report back to their command within an hour during a crisis.

"Leave" is the same as civilian "vacation" and during leave sailors may travel
to most places. Sailors must request leave weeks to months in advance,
inform their command of their itinerary (where will they be) and may
not change plans without informing their command. Sailors will NOT get
leave between boot camp and A school, except for some sailors who
graduate just before the winter holiday standdown.

Most sailors get their first leave between A school and reporting to their first duty station.

Cell phones
Sailors may not keep a cell phone (or anything else) in their pocket. They may
not talk or text on the phone while they are walking, and they may not
bring their cell phone (or iPod) back to RTC with them. Grad and Go
sailors who have already reported to their A schools might be allowed
to keep their cell phone or other electronics.

Driving:
Sailors may not drive a car while on PIR Liberty.

Standing Duty
Freshly graduated sailors take turn standing watch on PIR Liberty Weekend.They
may stand watch at night and be very tired in the morning, or they may
be required to return to barracks for a few hours to stand watch. This
is not something special to boot camp, this is a standard Navy-wide
practice, though at most commands there is no liberty on the day they
stand watch.

Public Display of Affection
In the Navy physical forms of affection such as hugs, kisses, and
holding hands while in uniform are known as a "public display of
affection" (PDA) and are forbidden.

There is one exception: families saying goodbye to a sailor before a deployment or greeting a sailor returning from deployment or long
separation. Boot camp counts under this exception, with limits. One
enthusiastic hug of greeting and a quick kiss are acceptable. French or
extended kisses are not. Nor are extended hugs, hanging off your
sailor, etc.

Hand-holding at any time is forbidden. There is a compromise, and I consider it to be a fairly romantic one. A sailor may offer his arm to
his girlfriend/wife/mother, she lays her hand in the crook of his LEFT
elbow in a formal escort-type pose. Likewise, a female sailor can take
the RIGHT arm of her husband/boyfriend/father with her left hand. In a
truely romantic gesture, men may lay their right hand over their lady's
hand (to keep it warm, or for skin-to-skin contact). The sailor must always have his right arm free to salute an officer or properly displayed flag.

Also, just because you aren't on base, don't assume they aren't
looking. RDCs and other boot camp personnel also go to the mall, out to
restaurants, to Chicago, etc, and they will be looking for new sailors
breaking the rules. Some may actually be assigned this job in popular
venues. Even if they run into the recruit by chance and are just out
with their own family, they will report the new graduate. You won't
likely see them because they will not be in uniform, but they will see
your sailor.

And no, they won't punish YOU. They will punish your sailor when s/he
returns to barracks. The most common punishment is to have their
liberty revoked the next day, or if the behavior is observed on the
final day of liberty, new sailors can be retained for an extra week of
boot camp. These are not idle threats. They actually do it.

About uniforms
Your sailors will be wearing their dress blues (after Labor Day and before
Memorial Day Weekend) or dress whites (from Memorial Day Weekend to
Labor Day Weekend) on Friday at PIR and after.

Be sure to bring a lint brush or sticky roll for your recruit to "clean
up" his or her blues. The blues are wool and pick up just about
anything. If you are bringing a pet, bring one of those sticky-tape
rollers to de-fur your sailor.

Be careful with whites, they show everything.

On Saturday and Sunday they will be wearing their service uniforms, aka
"peanut butters," which is a khaki shirt and black slacks or skirt. In
the winter they may be cold in the short sleeves, so make a stop at the
Navy Exchange so they can get a uniform sweater and a name tag (but
have them check with their RDCs first to make sure it's okay).

If there is any inaccurate information in this post, please send me a
message and I will check on it and make corrections as necessary.

[maussie64]

Thanks Deanna. I particularly like the directions for PDAs. I will have to tell Scarletts dad about that one.

[DeannaD-Bigpumpkin]

Yea, a lot of our Navy Wife's and Girlfriends were not to excited about that part but they did great and I would see them back at the hotel giving each other the eye.
I also noticed that you need to head back early if they only have liberty for the night. My son was so worried that we decided to eat on base in the NEX so he could calm down. When we were leaving I was glad we did this because there was a long line of cars trying to get into the base and a lot of Sailors jumping out of the cars running to the gate. They can get in a lot of trouble if they are late. I felt so bad for them.

[barb ( rachel's mom)]

thank you so much for doing this. it is wonderful,

[DeannaD-Bigpumpkin]

You are very welcome. It was so nice when one of us from our group found info and shared it or we had our life savor JessicaB hoping on and helping us out.

[Cheryl (Josh's mom)]

WOW!! Thanks for the info and posting it for us...I'm going to print it out and make sure I reread it again!! Thanks again..I'm a big hugger so the PDA part was very helpful!!! Thanks again!!

[DeannaD-Bigpumpkin]

Not a problem. I know even if they let them know this info and bring it up at the PIR it's nice to read it before hand. My group of N4M in my Div. wore red scarfs and sat together so we didn't really hear all that they were saying before it started. We were buying our sailor hats and being silly. But when that door opened you feel like your the only one there.

[Susan X 2]

Deanna, I see that you mentioned wearing scarfs, I think that is a greaet idea. Did each divsion wear the same color or different. I posted that idea on our PIR page, just needed some details. If you could fill us in that would be great. Thanks for all your information.

[DeannaD-Bigpumpkin]

All Div. wore red. That way we can spot each other even when we were sitting in our own div. I know one of the moms made up little ribbons with each div. # and each it's own color. We handed those out at the meet and greet. Plus one of the Moms in my div. made buttons with the div. flag design. Those were the best. I have pictures on my page.
I even got a email from the hotel because they noticed how many in your group. It's a big one.I think it would be great for you all to also get a group picture of each div. They have a stage there and will help put that together.