~ Test #2 ~~~~ Question: You are the armchair Commanding Officer ~~

[Craig]

~ Test #2 ~  You are the armchair Commanding Officer
(posted with permission of NavyFamilies.com)

 I'm posting this question just because I recently saw this in the forum that said "The only things that will really destroy their career is drugs, DUI and drinking underage"

Since our recruits are about to start "Hell Week", they will suffer, so shall we!

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Rules:
1.  These questions are to be answered without the use of the internet.  Your sailors don't have access, neither shall you.
2.  There is only 1 questions, you either will get a 100% or a Zero% (0). 
3.  You will answer the question. 
4.  You are required to post your score in this thread. 
5.  The answers are posted below question #1, so when you're done, come back here and let us know what you chose so we can compare you with other parents. 

No peeking until you complete your test!

Correctly answered:
1 = 100%
0  = 0%

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~  The Test ~

You are the Commanding Officer (O6), and you are the best Commanding Officer in the Navy. You believes totally in the Navy’s Zero tolerance on illegal drugs. You will hammer any sailor that comes to Captain's Mast.  You are known as the "Hanging CO" because you always award the maximum punishment, but you are also a fair CO.
(Remember, being the best CO means you knows the rules, and you have the best interest of the Navy in mind).  Could there be any exception? Are you limited with your power as a CO that limits you on how much you can hammer one of your guys?  So many things you need to think of.....But heck, your the best CO in the Navy, you should know.  What is the correct answer?


Question:
A young married E3 Sailor is sitting on a mid watch at the quarterdeck aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, bored as heck, playing with an Amulet (necklace) that he has around his neck. Enters a Navy Lieutenant (O3). He asks the Sailor "How the watch is going?" The Sailor says “Great!”

The Lieutenant notices the Amulet and then a small plastic baggie suddenly falls from it. The Lieutenant asks “What’s that?”. Nervously, the young Sailor says "Nothing" as he quickly places the bag back into the Amulet. The Lieutenant again ask “WHAT WAS THAT?” to which the smart @ss Sailor says “That sir, is what the DEA calls a Schedule 1 hallucinogen, a schedule 1 is classed as Ecstasy, PCP, Angel Dust, LSD…etc, and it’s on the DEA Controlled Substance Act (CSA)”.

Thinking he was kidding the Lieutenant asks “And what do you plan on doing with that?” The Sailor replies “Get high this Saturday with my wife!… I have 5 more grams at my apartment off-base!" Shocked, the Lieutenant says “Do you have a prescription for that”? The sailor responds, “Heck no, I bought it off a guy in the alley”. When the Lieutenant finally realizes that the young Sailor is not kidding, he quickly calls the Master-at-Arms and has him arrested.

With the Sailors permission they search his apartment off base, and sure enough they find 5 grams of the drugs there. They send the drugs to be tested, and they come back positive, they came back as a DEA schedule 1 drug (Ecstasy, PCP, Angel Dust, LSD…etc).

In the brig, they read the Sailor his rights, and ask him if he wishes to say anything. The Sailor refuses. All he says is “I love the Navy, why are you doing this to me?”

They refer the young Sailor to Captain’s Mast. The Captain reviews the young Sailor’s service record. And notices that this young Sailor already had a drug waiver issued by MEPS for illegally using this drug among other things.

What would you do as the best Commanding Officer in the Navy?

What is the correct answer that the best CO in the Navy would do?  (Think of all the rules)

 

A.  Release the young Sailor with an apology, and then counsel the Lieutenant for wasting your time.

 

B. Charge the Sailor with possession of drugs, and with the intent to use.  Put him on 30 days restriction, and allow him to remain on active duty. 

 

C.  Charge the Sailor with possession of drugs, and with the intent to use.  Put him give him 60 day restriction, 45 extra duty, and 1/2 months pay for 1 month (fine), 3 days Bread and Water, and discharge him with an "Other than Honorable discharge". 

 

D.  Charge the Sailor with possession of drugs, and with the intent to use.  Put him give him 45 day restriction, 60 extra duty, and 1/2 months pay for 2 month (fine), and discharge his with a "Other than Honorable discharge".

 

E.  Charge the Sailor with possession of drugs, and with the intent to use.  Put him give him 45 day restriction, 60 extra duty, and 1/2 months pay for 2 month (fine), and Confinement on bread and water for 3 days, then discharge his with a "Dishonorable Discharge".

 

What is your answer??????....

 

NOTE:  Because I am limited to 40000 characters and because of our members (starts with a L and ends with dia) didn't follow the rules by posting their scores from the last test until prodded, I won't post the answer until 5 people post their answer in this thread....  Remember, this is Hell Week, so when one person messes up, then the whole teams messes up.  It's part of doing things as a team, and part of funnin' Lydia.

 

Remember, you cannot use Google because your sailors can't, you can't.....

[Marcia]

I say "D". But what the heck do I know...I got a 40% on the last test I took :(

[lacbdave]

I don't really know the rules. I mean I'm not even sure what someone has to do or how much time has past before they are rank E3. I was told they have a zero tolerance thing for drugs, so I would think they would be kicked out. At the same time I have been told that they invested lots of time and money into you and even some drugs wouldn't be enough for them to let you go, they would just punish you. I only say that cause I figured if someone wanted an out, they could get drugs and be kicked out. At the same time, this is more severe cause he had more drugs than what was on him, so it could warrant being kicked out. A and B are way too soft. C, D and E are all kinda similar except a couple changes. That being said from what I read about being kicked out and how hard it is, I figure besides really bad things like hurting others or being a traitor or something nothing else but drugs could get you a dishonorable discharge.

For that reason I select E.

Sorry had to think out loud. idk how anyone could chose btwn C and D without actually knowing the rules cause they are so similar. Unless someone picks one as a lucky guess.

[Navy Nana]

I select E. While I might feel bad about the damage done to this young mans life, he brought it upon himself and he would potentially be putting the lives of many others at risk. Especially since he has already had a second chance and blew it.

[Lydia (For B - The Sea is Ours)]

Hahahah Craig - :oP Well here I am - baaammm!

Well, If I understood about the Waiver Id better be able to answer this. A waiver waves rights - what did it waive? His right to use the drug? Or did it waive the Navy's right to punish him knowing that he had admitted to being a user. I know this is bad but if the Navy knew he was a user of this drug but signed a waiver (therein lies the key to this answer)- then the CO can do only A. (Now personally - drugs endager lives and I would give him the harshest of punishments )

Sorry everyone for all the push-ups my wrong answer is gonna get us! :o)

[Sara(Ship04/Div291 PIR 9/2)]

OK my answer is B
i think A is too easy and the rest of them i am not sure about.

i am going with my gut instinct on this

[Amrik'smom ship 06 div 942]

I say "D". But, I'm with Marcia! I don't know much, I also got a 40% on the last test! Thankfully my son seems to be doing much better than me! :0)

[jennifer sh 11 div 296 9/2]

I think its b because of the waiver.
Although I think he should be kicked,you can't risk others lives.

[Marci]

I am going with B - also because of the waiver. But educate us Craig, What does the waiver do for this particular sailor - or any sailor for that matter?

And since Lydia has replied...(haha) - as well as at least 5 others - What is the answer?

[luggs107 ship 4 div 292]

ok my answer is c

[Craig]

Here is the Answer...............
All,
I love this question because it solves alot of questions. I have won many bets because of this question and if you are still friendly with you Sailors recruiter, I would pose this question to him.
Please understand when I post this stuff, I post it to help you guys understand the Navy. I already know it, but I think if I can get you to understand the Navy, then you and your sailor will be on the same level playing field. I actually want you guys to be smarter.

So, what I want to do is show you why the other question are wrong, then I will tell you what is correct....so bear with me while I explain the reason the other answers are wrong 1st….

From: http://www.tpub.com/maa/57.htm

A B C D E

WRONG ~
B. Charge the Sailor with possession of drugs, and with the intent to use. Put him on 30 days restriction, and allow him to remain on active duty.

B. - Why? Per OPNAVY 5350.4d, The Navy’s drug policy is “Zero Tolerance”. This requires mandatory processing for separation of all individuals found guilty of a single incident of drug use.
Here is a Navy message that just came out this year (Mar 2010): http://www.persnet.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/2C3DBAE8-7A62-411B-BC91-56...
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Which leaves A B C D E
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WRONG ~
D. Charge the Sailor with possession of drugs, and with the intent to use. Put him give him 45 day restriction, 60 extra duty, and 1/2 months pay for 2 month (fine), and discharge his with a "Other than Honorable discharge".

D. Why? Because the limit for a CO for issuing a fine is 1/2 month pay for 1 month for paygrade E3. (see above chart)

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Which leaves A B C D E
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E. Charge the Sailor with possession of drugs, and with the intent to use. Put him give him 45 day restriction, 60 extra duty, and 1/2 months pay for 2 month (fine), and Confinement on bread and water for 3 days, then discharge his with a "Dishonorable Discharge".

WRONG ~
E. - Why? Because only a Dishonorable Discharge (DD) can only be awarded as a result of a conviction by a General Court-Martial. So the Captain does not have the authority to award this. DD’s are for cases like murder, rapes, desertion and other really hard core things. Receiving a DD means you are a convicted Federal felon which means you can never own a firearm or vote.

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Which leaves A B C D E
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OK, that leaves on A and C.....

A. Release the young Sailor with an apology, and then counsel the Lieutenant for wasting your time.

and

C. Charge the Sailor with possession of drugs, and with the intent to use. Put him give him 60 day restriction, 45 extra duty, and 1/2 months pay for 1 month (fine), 3 days Bread and Water, and discharge him with an "Other than Honorable discharge".

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Let talk about C 1st:
C. Charge the Sailor with possession of drugs, and with the intent to use. Put him give him 60 day restriction, 45 extra duty, and 1/2 months pay for 1 month (fine), 3 days Bread and Water, and discharge him with an "Other than Honorable discharge".

Although so far this is the most correct answer. (Yes since you are on a U.S. Navy warship and not a Navy shore station you can be given a 3 days bread and water punishment. I have only seen this happen twice in 18 years

HOWEVER, we said you were the best CO in the Navy can there be any reason you would pick A? Remember, we said you are the best CO, you know the rules however rare they are.
Hint: Although I have reservations on tell you, could there be any extenuating circumstances that allows this Sailor to legally use drug, that was not prescribed to him, and is on the DEA list that equals to LSD and PCP? Or am I just messing with you?...............................


The correct answer is:
A. Release the young Sailor with an apology, and then counsel the Lieutenant for wasting your time.

Here's why:
Even though the Navy says they have a Zero Tolerance for drug use, it fact it doesn't. It's more like 99.9998% can't use drugs but certain religions can.

But being a good CO, you would have read this guys service record and found our young E3 is an Native American. He has the drug Peyote, which the DEA has as a Schedule 1 hallucinogen (Same as LSD/PCP). Although, it is illegal for 99.9% of the U.S. citizen, it is allowed for use by our Native American people. The Navy recognizes this too. Although he can use it for religious reasons, he cannot use it just to get high. So, when he got his original drug waiver for this drug, it was because he was using it to get high, and not for religious reasons. Now, he is using it for religious reasons….
Here is the paragraph from the Navy Recruiting manual.

This is a very obscure rule that most sailor or recruiters for that matter know about. If you do ask this question to your recruiter, tell them it's in COMNAVCRUITCOMINST 1130.8H – VOLUME II – CH1, Section 9, para 020903. (ENLISTMENT ELIGIBILITY) of their recruiters handbook.

Lastly, you will here alot of talk about people that are discharge for one reason or another. Here is the truth:

Myth: If I get a drug discharge, it will automatically get upgraded in six months.

Reality: There is nothing automatic about a discharge review. The extremely complicated process requires that you show the Navy Discharge Review Board that the alleged entry or omission in the records was in error or unjust. The board receives hundreds of requests annually, and in the last three years not one drug discharge upgrade request was approved.

[Sara(Ship04/Div291 PIR 9/2)]

UGH!! MENTAL HEADSLAP!!!
Thanks for the education, it was very interesting. and i love to learn!!!

[lacbdave]

The fact you left out he was Native American makes it impossible for anyone to have really known, seeing as how if it wasn't for that fact C would have been correct. I mean for me it wouldn't make a difference cause I didn't know the rules but if the CO didn't know he was either then the answer would have been C right? The fact that you didn't mention he was Native American made it impossible for anyone to know it and guess A unless someone just did it as a lucky guess.