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Discharged from Nuke Program
Unfortunately My son sent us a text that he is out of the nuke program--His scheduled graduation date was 1/30 and because of a facility issue at Goose Creek where the ship wasn't working properly they delayed it until 3/30. He told us he was SO FAR behind, was given work to catch up plus the work that needs to be done every day. He struggled through A-School..barely passing. He struggled through Power School--barely passing...and Prototype did him in. His supervisors are saying he is a worthless piece of shit, that he isn't trying hard enough. Honestly, I think he has the brains to pass the tests to qualify to get into the nuke program..but isn't up to snuff cognitively to make it through the program. They aren't even talking about transferring him. Right now he is working in the administration office because they have nothing else for him and he is very likely to be discharged soon. This breaks his mom and my heart because he REALLY wanted to go in doing something with computer science and the recruiter was insistent the nuke program was so much better--everyone passes...etc...and a less than honorable discharge for not being cognitively able to make it through the program is just crap in my opinion. He was told that they would put his name out there to a couple bases that he could possibly qualify for but, "if they don't want you...which they probably won't...who would?' then your shit out of luck. They told him he wasn't going to amount to crap as a civilian. He has busted his ass with hours..puts in the extra-required hours and then some. I understand being tough and realistic to motivate...but they are doing it to demean and get rid of him. I don't see how not being able to pass the nuke program equals being a miserable failure in life or not being able to even be a cook or a conventional sailor....makes no sense and as pro-military as I have always been...right now I'm questioning everything.
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Permalink Reply by Tx Mom of Far Away Nuke on
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This program is hard. My son lost a few roommates that didn't make it. Honestly, I didn't understand why my son picked nuclear subs. The thought of being in a sub for months horrifies me. That being said, you've got a lot of prayers and well wishes headed your way. There's no shame in trying something so challenging and not quite reaching it. I hope it works out for your son.
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Permalink Reply by ChuckG on
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Thank you. I know the program is hard--told him he was entering one of the hardest programs the military has. I think when they look at his transcripts and see he barely passed A-School and Power School that there were issues with his comprehension that didn't equate with effort or determination. I worry about what a discharge from the Navy (this is what they are telling him is the most likely outcome) with less than honorable will do for his future. This will follow him for the rest of his life...where he could have gone into a Navy job totally overqualified at the beginning and have that count as something very positive for the rest of his life.
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I'm not entirely happy with my son's recruitment either. My son has a degree in electrical engineering from TCU and somehow he's recruited as Enlisted instead of an Officer? Major frustration. I don't know if they have quotas to fill or what but I don't feel the recruiters always have the best interests of the sailor in mind.
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I am not sure about quotas, but I wouldn't be surprised if the recruiters get a bonus for signing up sailors for the nuke program.
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Permalink Reply by TJ Proudnavymom on
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My son has a degree from UCLA and also did not go in as an officer candidate. I've done some reasearch and see that a college degree not longer gets them officer status. I think it may be because so many college graduates go in to the military now, where it used to be more rare.
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Permalink Reply by B'sNukeMoM⚓️MMN(Vet) on
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Chuck I am so sorry to hear this. I'm especially sorry to hear how your son is being treated.....it seemed like most (at least in the past) that didn't make it through the pipeline were re-rated and ended up being quite happy in their new position. I'm going to hope that somehow things will change for the best for him and he will get moved to something else and will be able to continue his navy career.....remind him that he is not a failure. Be there for him and encourage him to stay strong. Prayers to all of you.
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Permalink Reply by My4sonsjrbm on
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Oh Chuck,
My heart just breaks for you and your son. You know that your son is not worthless and you make sure that he knows that. It does seem strange to me that he cannot be assigned someplace else. Can you talk to his recruiter or his commanding officer? There's got to be something that he and you can do. I'm a bit of a pushy and too involved mom, so I'd be making some phone calls and/or writing some letters! Don't give up!
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That is so sad so typical! Will the Navy ever figure it out? If one would just treat their sailors with care and respect they will do so much more for their command and would improve morale. These sailors give up so much to be treated as a failure...ridiculous!! My son went through the program and October was his 5th anniversary. Unfortunately the sailors are mentally abused and treatment is still disappointing.
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Permalink Reply by BoyWonderMom on
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My heart is breaking, this could be any of us. I pray that your son stay strong and confident,so not even this will take any of his awesome self.
Prayers for you and mom too, so you can get thru this unshaken. For this do not define your son's life in any form or shape. Blessings to you all. -
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I sent an email off to the Commander Master Chief at NNPTU. I asked that they consider he has so many qualities and talents that can serve the Navy in a very valuable way..that not succeeding at such an intellectually difficult program wasn't indicative of ability to succeed in other areas of the Navy. Not sure if it will even reach the Commander's desk or have any impact at all. Can only try and hope and pray for the best.
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I'll be the devil's advocate. You're only getting your son's side of the story here. I'm sure you realize that he is dealing with people that have their own personalities. I'm just skeptical that the instructors and leadership at NNPTC would resort to name calling just out of spite.
Recruiters do what they do. That's water under the bridge now. One of my sons is a Nuke ET. I tried to convince him to go the AECF route but he insisted on pursuing the Nuke track. My second Navy son did go AECF and the first one now regrets going Nuke and is already talking about getting out after six years.
Regardless of my being pragmatic, I'm very sorry for what your son is up against after all of the work he put in. If he isn't able to get reclassified, a general or administrative discharge shouldn't hold him back. He still received some of the best electronics training in the world and he should attempt to put that to use.
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