PIR FAQ

[Arwen]

Public Display of Affection

In the Navy physical forms of affection such as hugs, kisses, and holding hands while in uniform are known as a "public display of affection" (PDA) and as such are forbidden.

There is one exception: families saying goodbye to a sailor before a deployment or greeting a sailor returning from deployment or long separation. Boot camp counts under this exception, with limits. One enthusiastic hug of greeting and a quick kiss are acceptable.  French or extended kisses are not. Nor are extended hugs, hanging off your sailor, etc. Girlfriends and wives, save the good stuff for the hotel room!

Don't be surprised if your recruit is physically very stand-offish and refuse any kind of physical contact, they've been briefed with the same rules and don't want to endanger their weekend with you. They just went through two months of being told that any contact with the opposite sex is a ticket to IT at very least, or possibly being ASMO'ed back or even being discharged, so they may be a bit paranoid about any physical contact.

Hand-holding at any time is forbidden. There is a compromise, and I consider it to be a sweet one. A sailor may offer his arm to his girlfriend/wife/mother, she lays her hand in the crook or his LEFT elbow in formal escort fashion. Likewise, a female sailor can take the RIGHT arm of her husband/boyfriend/father with her left hand. In a truely romantic gesture, men may lay their right hand over their girlfriend/wife's hand (to keep it warm, or for skin-to-skin contact). The sailor must ALWAYS have his right arm free to salute an officer or flag, should one show up.

Also, just because you aren't on base, don't assume they aren't looking. RDCs and other boot camp personnel also go to the mall, out to restaurants, to Chicago, etc, and they will be looking for new sailors breaking the rules. Some may actually be assigned this job in popular venues. Even if they run into the recruit by chance and are just out with their own family, they will report the new graduate. You won't likely see them because they will not be in uniform, but they will see you.

And no, they won't try to punish YOU for your infraction. They will punish your sailor when s/he returns to barracks. The most common punishment is to have their liberty revoked the next day, or for the remainder of the weekend!

About uniforms

Your sailors will be wearing their dress blues, not their whites, on Friday at PIR and after. If you wear something light colored, be sure to bring a lint brush for your recruit to "clean up" his or her blues. they're wool and pick up just about anything. If you are bringing a pet, bring one of those sticky-tape rollers to de-fur your sailor.

Friday is the day to do something clean. Dress uniforms show EVERYTHING. This is not the day to risk going to an Italian eatery. Changing into a swim suit and going to a swimming or going to Chicago art museums are "safer" choices to keep their blues perfect.

On Saturday and Sunday they will be wearing their service uniforms, which is a khaki shirt with black slacks or skirt. This uniform is more forgiving and is a better choice for hair appointments, spaghetti or other possibly messy accidents.

 

They will already have one or two ribbons. The first (red and yellow) ribbon is for being in the military during time of armed conflict. Many earn a navy-blue and green Marksman ribbon for accuracy during pistol training. Some may earn Sharpshooter or expert, which are distinguished by a small letter (S or E) pinned on the ribbon. Be sure to praise them for these ribbons, they are very proud to wear them and will appreciate the recognition, expecially those who earn an E!

Dress for the day
PIR is a formal military event. As such, please dress to show respect for your sailor's accomplishment (not every recruit makes it through boot camp) and to the Navy for hosting the spectacular event. Your sailor will be wearing his best uniform, the equivalent of a suit and tie. There is no "dress code" but consider the situation. You don't have to wear formal clothes, but please, no micro-minis, no beat-up jeans or sweatshirts. When I went, most ladies wore slacks, denim slacks (dressy jeans) or skirts with sweaters or blouses. A few wore dresses.

Wear whatever shoes you prefer. If you are used to wearing heels, wear them, if you prefer flats or other shoes, those are fine as well. The walk is relatively short (less than 1/4 mile) on sidewalks that are very well maintained. There is no need to wear "comfortable walking shoes." Wear whatever type you wear most of the time. I wore 3" heels, which I wear every day at work, and was perfectly fine. Some girlfriends wore stilettos, and were also fine. Most of your time on base you will be seated.

Come prepared for the weather, if you arrive early you may be waiting outside for a while. Watch weather forecasts and be prepared with whatever is appropriate, from sunglasses and sunscreen to raincoats and umbrellas.

 

MCPON Hall is well heated and comfortable. You will not need extra warmth items for sitting inside.

 

Hotels

There are a lot of hotels in the Great Lakes area. You have a wide range of choices. The closest is Navy Lodge, which is in the Navy Family Housing part of the base. It costs $65 per room. Some of their rooms have full kitchens (so you can make a real home-cooked meal). have as many as 2 queen beds per room, and it allows pets.

There are a large number of hotels in the $70-$100/night range within 10 minutes of the hotel. Most of them are decent, clean hotels. Be aware that the Ramada Inn, which is in itself a safe, decent place and hosts a Meet and Greet for families every week the night before PIR,  is not in a good neighborhood. There was a murder there earlier this year, and there are other issues. The hotel is okay, just don't wander the neighborhood.

The coolest hotel is also one of the more expensive ones. It's the Key Lime Cove, a hotel and indoor waterpark. It's about $110 per night, but it also has all of the entertainment you need, including a dozen water slides, indoor pools, hot tubs, arcades, restaurants, and more. It's like a tropical vacation in Chicago. You can do this instead of the Navy Pier and other expensive entertainment options. Just make sure your sailor has Navy swim gear for swimming, they MUST be in uniform even when swimming.

Getting on base
There are two options for getting on base, driving your own car (you will need your parking pass) or take a shuttle (taxi) from your hotel to the front gate.

If you drive you will check in at the gate using your gate pass. You received the password to get your gate pass in the form letter your recruit sent the first week. This will be available to download and print out 11 days before graduation. Plan on getting to the base between 5:30 and 6:30 to get a place in line. From the gate, drive about 1/4 mile to the parking area, then go to the guest check-in. Then they will escort you as a group to MCPON Hall, where the PIR ceremony will take place.

Your gate pass is also good Saturday and Sunday to pick up and drop off your sailor. You are allowed to go as far as the end of the parking lot used for PIR parking.

If you choose to take a shuttle, the shuttle will drop you off just inside the gate, at the taxi/shuttle staging area. This is also where you can catch a taxi at any time during PIR weekend. From the staging area, check in at the front gate. From there you can walk to MCPON Hall, which is the first building on the left.

If you need assistance, there are recruits waiting with wheelchairs or other assistance to get you to MCPON Hall, and special seating areas - right up front. Only one guest can accompany a disabled person in that seating area.

When you leave, if you took a shuttle, you can either take the shuttle back to your hotel or walk one block to the train station and take the train to Chicago. You can buy weekend (3-day) train passes for $7 each. This is an inexpensive option, considering the cost of parking in Chicago is about $20 for each location.

What if more than four people want to attend my sailor's PIR? Each recruit gets four adults (age 12 and older) at the ceremony, guaranteed. Children under age 12 are not counted, but no more than two per adult are allowed.  At large ceremonies (14 or more divisions graduating) getting additional guests in can be more difficult. For smaller ceremonies it is easy to get a few extra guests in.

If the graduation is medium-sized (10-12 divisions) and they aren't certain how many guests will be there, additional guests will have to wait outside until they can determine how much seating remains. The largest graduation I have seen was 17 divisions, and they were packed to the rafters. No extra guests got in. At my son's graduation there were nine divisions, and there were whole bleacher sections empty. No one was being held outside.

Grad and Go
First you need to know if they will be "grad and go" (GnG). GnG grads are scheduled to leave for their A-school as soon as they graduate. Most GnG graduates are in the first two divisions in a group, though some individuals from other divisions may be GnG. They may be informed of their GnG status as early as the first week, others may not be told until the day before PIR.

Some GnG sailors may have to leave immediately after the ceremony, getting only a short time with their families. For those who know ahead that their sailor will leave Friday, some route their trip home to stay for a few days at their sailor's A-school location for a visit there.

Other GnG grads (called Saturday shippers) will leave on Saturday, either very early in the morning or mid-afternoon. If this is the case, they can have liberty on Friday.

Families of GnG sailors can meet their sailor at the USO at the airport to hang out together until it is time for their flight. You can give them their cell phones and other personal electronics (mp3 players, handheld game systems or laptop computers) at that time.

GnG sailors who will got to school at Great Lakes will spend about 3-5 hours transferring "across the street" to their school at the NTC (Naval Training Center), then will get liberty the rest of the weekend. For the most part they will have to live by the same rules as those who are still at the RTC (Recruit Training Center) but slightly relaxed.

Liberty
Sailors will be released directly from the PIR ceremony to liberty. However, many will want to return to barracks, usually to get something s/he wants to give you, such as their portraits or divisions t-shirts. This sometimes takes as long as a half hour, so I recommend that you ask your sailor to give it to you Saturday morning, when you won't lose all that time together.

Sailors will NOT be allowed to stay with you at night. Each night they will have a curfew, which depends on the whims of their RDCs and can change each night. They have to be in their barracks and ready for inspection no later than one minute before curfew. Drop your sailors off AT LEAST a half-hour before curfew is up. Plan for 1 hour early, just in case there is bad traffic or some other unexpected delay. It is a 15 minute walk from the gates to barracks. Don't leave anything to chance. If they are late by even 10 seconds they may lose their liberty the next day.

Liberty and leave are two different things. In civilian terms, liberty is a weekend off, while leave is vacation, charged against the sailor Like civilian vacation time leave is requested ahead of time (usually 2 months before). Sailors may not take leave until they have completed A school.

Cell Phones
You can bring your sailor's cell phone for him/her to use, but there are several rules about cell phones. First sailors may not "walk and talk." If a sailor wants to talk on their cell phone, they must literally sit down or stand in one place. They are effectively "trapped" by the call. They also may not carry their phone in a pocket. They must hold it in their hand or give it to you to carry.

They can NOT bring their phones with them back to barracks. You have to keep it. If your sailor is GnG, as mentioned before, you can bring it to him/her at the airport, or give it to them once they are "across the street" at Great Lakes NTC. If your sailor is shipping out later in the week, plan to send it in the mail in a week or two, once you have his/her new address.

What to do with your sailor PIR weekend

Your sailors will be required to stay within 50 miles of RTC Great Lakes. Don't worry, there is a lot to do in the area.

All non-GnG sailors get three days, including Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Most will have to stand watch once. If they have morning watch they will be released late, if they have mid-day watch they will have to return to RTC, then can go out again. If they have evening watch, they will have to return early.

If you don't have enough time to go anywhere before or after watch, you can hang out with your sailor at Ricky Heaven (just inside RTC gates), which has a food court, arcade, lounge with big-screen TVs and a convenience store (with souvenir items available).

Let your sailor pick his/her own activities for PIR. They have been told what to do (even when to go to the bathroom) for nine weeks. They will want to make their own decisions for a few days. Send your sailor a list of options and tell them to pick three, one for each day. It can include:

*Gurnee Mills Mall (includes a theater, a Rainforest Cafe and more)
*Downtown Chicago/Navy Pier/Imax Theater
*Medieval Times (a medieval themed dinner theater with activities)

*Chicago Museum of Science and Industry

*Hang out at the hotel and relax, sleep and take long hot showers
*Salon and/or day spa: for female sailors, many of them want to go to a spa and hair salon to repair the damage boot camp does to hair, nails and complexion.

[NavyMomKim]

Thank you so much Arwen!!!!  Your information is extremely valuable! You answered a lot of questions I had.  I love all the details.  I am looking forward to seeing my recruit on 2-4-11.

[diannep]

Make sure that your recruit brings his/her Navy-issued swimsuit if swimming is planned...this is a must! 

Also, for those staying at the Ramada or attending the Meet N Greet, please don't panic.  The murder that happened earlier this year was outside of the hotel and gang-specific...not too comforting, but no guests were at risk.  Please see my post in this same discussion group on the 2/11 group for further details. When news of this incident was made public over the summer, there was alot of fear and concern in the PIR groups.  All worked hard to calm these fears. I would hate to see this stirred up again since many since that time have had a great time at the Ramada and felt very secure....for any who need extra assurance, please contact the GM there:

Clint Cissell  847-244-2400

He has been very helpful to previous PIR groups and there have been no futher incidents since this.

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