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Comment by NF Mom on June 11, 2013 at 3:41pm

Nancy, I just realized SIL can, and usually would, mean Son In Law, not just Sister In Law.

I do not have a Son In Law yet ( my daughter is only 19 and I hope it stays that way until she finishes her four year degree ). 

I am as guilty as the next person of seeing the world through my own limited perspective.

Comment by NonnaB on June 11, 2013 at 3:40pm

NF Mom my son was 20 when he signed up and 21 when he started.  He's been in 3 years, got married 2 years ago, had a baby last year, and bought a house in Norfolk this year.  Can't wait to see what he does next year!  My DIL is former Navy and she comes from a military family so I think they had a lot of conversations about career goals, etc.

Comment by NF Mom on June 11, 2013 at 3:32pm

Thanks mariab.

May I ask if your son was one of the older Nukes when he started the Nuke pipeline ? 

Mine was one of the "older ones" turning 22 just before he classed up for A-School.

Comment by NonnaB on June 11, 2013 at 3:27pm

NF Mom, my son took his E5 test and passed but got his advancement faster when he re-enlisted.  He had just reported to his boat when he took the test, and he knew he had passed when he re-enlisted.  He had planned on serving longer anyway, in fact, he is seriously thinking of making it his career since he's been talking about all his routes for advancement.  He had been talking about re-enlisting since INDOC so I guess he's just a determined young man.

Comment by NF Mom on June 11, 2013 at 3:19pm

Caryatid wrote: "All this talk of re-enlistment while our sailors are still in training, while interesting, is soooo premature."

Not all of "OUR Nuke Sailors" are still in the training pipeline. For many of us "Nuke Moms" what happens out in the fleet is not premature at all.

There may even be many of us newer Nuke Moms who like to think ahead ( I have only been a member a little over two years ).

I, for one, am very interested in what is happening with Nukes getting out of the Navy, even though this is many years away for my son.

B'snukemom, I agree, the last thing anyone would want to bring up is the subject of reenlistment with a son or daughter in A-School.  I am not sure moms should even be bringing it up,  however,  in my son's case he brought it up and sought input from his father.

I welcome all comments, even ones that disagree with the subject of reenlistment being posted on the Nuke Moms forum.

But I have found this to be the best forum to discuss Nuke Sailor issues.  Nuke reenlistment is unique to Nukes for many reasons, and I am looking for input from others who have thought about these issues.  Both pro and con input on the issue of reenlistment.

Comment by NancyJo (NNPTC) on June 11, 2013 at 2:33pm

NF Mom, I'll have to ask my SIL. He was actually on what he thought was a 2 wk cruise up the coast of CA from San Diego when 911 happened, and they immediately deployed to the Persian Gulf so his college education was complete by the time the 911 bill went into effect.

Caryatid, my son re-enlisted when he accepted staff assignment in B.Spa. He hasn't seen the fleet yet, and was just completing his ELT training when they asked him to join staff. It suited him b/c, for one thing, it meant the next 2 yrs were in BS and he had just had a baby at that time. He figured he would be stateside during his daughter's first 2 yrs. He also got E5 at that time and a hefty bonus. So, actually, it might be premature to talk about reenlistment right out of basic, but our kids really need to think things through and that time is valuable. One sailor's decision might not be the right decision for someone else.

Comment by B'sNukeMoM⚓️MMN(Vet) on June 11, 2013 at 2:02pm

NF Mom - wow!  Thanks for the information - I have printed it out and will refer back to it over time.  (Sailor just finished A school and is waiting for Power school to start.)  You've given a lot of information to process and I know my son doesn't need to worry about it yet but I will put it in my file for later use!  Thanks again....

Comment by NF Mom on June 11, 2013 at 12:35pm

NancyJo, did your SIL ( or was it your SIL's husband? ) go back to college with the post 911 GI bill ( which kicked in July 2010 ( or maybe 2009 ) or under the Montgomery GI Bill ?

My husband tells me the post 911 GI Bill is far superior, more like the post WWII GI bill.

Comment by NancyJo (NNPTC) on June 11, 2013 at 12:26pm

When my SIL went back to college after his Navy Nuke stint, the money he had earned in the navy almost but not quite paid for his education including living expenses. His living expenses were bare bones, no cable tv, basic cell phone, really ssmmmaaaalllll place to live. He went to an in-state school so tuition was better, but U of MO in Rolla has a reactor on campus, or did when my daughter and SIL were there. Great education.

Now my SIL is trying to talk my lawyer daughter into going into the air force to join JAG. It might erase some of her school debt, she'd go in as an officer, probably never see combat, and get military benefits. I don't think she wants to do it but I told her to just think it over before she dismisses it out of hand. Of course, it's her decision. I'm way past trying to tell any of them what to do, as if they would listen.

Comment by NF Mom on June 11, 2013 at 11:10am

Negative reasons for not Star Reenlisting as early as possible:

A "fast burner" Sailor may make E-5 early anyway, like Williams son did.

You can go to school full time on the GI bill, and eat,  after you get out at the end of a six year first term.

Top grades with a four year degree in Nuclear Engineering are better for getting a good job than "just any old four year degree". It is easier to go to school, get  top grades,  on the GI bill after doing one term and separating.  It is hard to work full time, go to school full time, and get top grades. A Nuclear Engineering degree ( as opposed just completing another type of four year degree ) will require more classes and more time than going to school part time during a two year Shore Duty assignment would allow.

Rules in the Navy change. The country could go to war with China or some other major adversary.  The U.S. armed forces may be drastically downsizing in the next few years.  For any number of reasons the 53 months of Sea Duty might change to the rest of your eight year ( 8 year ) Navy Career.

You can make more money than you Navy salary plus reenlistment bonus if you just get out and get a good paying civilian job.

Submarine commanding officers change every two years on average, you may get a horrible commander and Sea Duty may not just suck, it may become a living hell.

The above are some of the negative considerations I and/or my son have considered. I would be interested if anyone knows of any other negative considerations for not reenlisting ... he has just put in his papers ... not actually completed the reenlistment process yet.

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