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Comment by FireTeamLeaderWife aka FTLW on August 1, 2011 at 5:47pm

I know I haven't been much help...I am sooooo glad to see you all sharing deeper about your stories. This is how others will know what to do.

You don't expect something like this to happen...and you REALLY don't expect it to go the way it does. Going through the enlistment process was a lot for me. Why would we even think of researching possible discharge and the ALL the information that goes along with that. By the time the recruits loved ones find out the process has been started. Damage has been unknowingly done, as in your daughters case itsmemom-how would she have KNOWN that beforehand?! She wouldn't.

jsc-I am so glad you called your Congressman and they have instructed you. Fight...I will pray for you and your son. It will not be easy...but if he really wants it...fight.

NakitaFamily-I will keep you and your son in my prayers. Also your recruiter that he fights to get your son back in.

It seems like contacting your Congressman is a VERY good way to go. My husband always says that to me when I discuss some of this and it just soinds plain wrong (he has 27 years military reserves under his belt, 2 deployments). I am going to tell that to EVERY new mom/recruit on this group who is willing to fight.

I am truly sorry this is all happening and I will keep you all in my prayers.

FTLW

Hi PDP-wouldn't forget you!

Comment by itsmemom on August 1, 2011 at 4:53pm

Seps-Admin---that is exactly what my daughter said she wish she would of seen the CARE counselor and NOT have gone to REU. Knowing what she knows now--she had some issues, but really thinks it could of gotten resolve seeing the chaplin or CARE. Besides being homesick, she had injury to her leg (which healed right away), had a pap smear come back abnormal---and was told she had to be tested for cervical cancer, and then found out someone she knew had killed themselves while she was gone (not really a close friend). Once she started seeing someone in REU she had to go back for more appointments-even though she didn't care for the person she was seeing. She actually made it thru bootcamp and battle stations. Had to go back to see this person a couple of days before PIR---was kept waiting for over 4 hours which she wasn't happy. (she probably made it known)-and they had her scheduled to see this same guy. Her papers was sent to some other doctor, who AFTER PIR met with her and said she was stamping her papers recommandation for separation. She never really talk with her, but said she was going to put the recommendation down but also put on her hard copy that she could go on to the THRU unit--but never did that part. At the point leading up to battle stations she was feeling really good-had gotten back her results from her pap (all good) and she was really looking forward to A school. Once in Ship 5 the way she was treated and told, "oh yes, you will get this code and you can fight it from home and come back in 6 months"  Even though she was told she had a good chance of winning the appeal she didn't want to stay in Ship 5 for a month or 2 until she may of won it. And she was told she probably would of lost her rank--which was way over manned anyways. (AEFC-)  Anyways she would tell everyone DO NOT GO TO REU----bad choice

Comment by NakitaFamily ship-10 div 263 on August 1, 2011 at 4:04pm

well he already signed that I know of his recruiter said he will help him get back in so I hope it all works out for him he will be devistated if he cant go back

Comment by NakitaFamily ship-10 div 263 on August 1, 2011 at 1:37pm

they told my sone with the RE3E he could reinlist I hope they where telling him the truth I am seeing so many scary stories on here

Comment by FireTeamLeaderWife aka FTLW on July 31, 2011 at 9:08pm

lauren- Unfortunately, I am thinking you are VERY right! I have heard that too. You need an RE1 basically.

Then I saw the Reentry Code Chart (and was hopeful)

It is listed on the reentry code chart that you can reenlist IF you can get a waiver for an RE3E (there are two RE3 codes that are completely ineligible-A and C) but it seems like they provide stipulations (probably in the remarks area of the DD-214) negating that, depending on the "medical issue".

Here is the link to the Unclassified document (It's on the net):

http://www.cnrc.navy.mil/publications/Directives/1130_8J%20VOL%20IV...

Go to page 209.

That's probably why it's a good reason to fight it IF you can. I know that's easy for me to say sitting here in my chair, typing on a computer.

If I can get any information for you I will try as best as I can.

I know that the SepsAdmin (ex) pops in here to advise still once in a while too.

In the meantime...I will do the only thing I can right now which is pray for you all.

FTLW

 

Comment by FireTeamLeaderWife aka FTLW on July 31, 2011 at 7:52pm

You can fight this...here is one mom and recruit that did. It was not for psychological issues but is about appealing and winning. They fought hard. Here is a link to her post on this Discussion Forum up above.

http://www.navyformoms.com/group/ship17moms/forum/topics/updated-do...

I have not been through this and so cannot "know" what you are going through. I don't know anybody personally that has gone through this...I would just like to help in any way I can.

I am seeing a lot of RE3E reentry codes. It says that it is, "Ineligible to reenlist without a NAVCRUITCOM waiver". Which SHOULD mean you can reenlist with a waiver. However, there is obviously criteria to meet to get the waiver...and then I am seeing that even with the RE3E code one mom was told by the recruiter that her child could NOT reenlist. So, I don't get it.

From BUPERS (Bureau of Naval Personnel)

>>RE-3 Eligible for reenlistment except for disqualifying

factor. Add letter to indicate status at time of

separation:

An RE3E is : (BUPERS)

>>RE-3E Inducted/Enlisted/Extended/Reenlisted in error.

So I am guessing that it is a "common" code used and then there are comments that are added on the DD-214 (discharge papers) that are making reentry ineligible.

When recruits are discharged from BC they do not receive an "honorable, general etc" discharge as character of service. It is "Uncharacterized Entry Level Seperation".

The one code that you do not want is an RE4. This is ineligible for reentry.

Comment by PDP on July 31, 2011 at 5:16pm

Phone is not the best typist. Sorry.

Comment by PDP on July 31, 2011 at 5:15pm

I am so sorry to hear about these young adults situation. I pray all these situations get resolved to their favor. My son is in for a knee injury, but also had remarks in his chart about his mental status. He ask legal what the remark meant and was told they did not know. Even unknown what it means, bit don't know why it's there. He never spoke to a psychologist. He does not to persue it. Just wants to get home and get his knee taken care of.

Comment by Justwaiting on July 31, 2011 at 5:09pm

Yeah, it's hard to explain to a kid what to do. 

 

I'm going to tell my daughter to tell the shrink that she was just homesick and wishes she'd never said anything and regrets going home. I don't know if she'll listen to me - she's a stubborn 17 year old. 

Comment by Justwaiting on July 31, 2011 at 4:55pm

I guess, but it's a long uphill battle.

 

I'm going to do all I can to fight it. Right now our SRs aren't concentrating on that and it'll have to be fixed after they get home. She never had any history either, but all it takes is the shrink asking "Were you ever depressed or sad before?" and the kids, being teenagers, answering honestly. Who hasn't been sad? That'll go in their permanent records and will bite them in the future.

 

I'm going to tell my daughter to NOT see any shrinks while she's in ship 5 and just concentrate on getting home. This is a mess and I am SO ticked off!

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