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Comment by Dianne on June 2, 2009 at 1:41pm

Wow Melissa, I think that needs it's own discussion page!! Thanks for the info.

Comment by Melissa (Tucson) on June 1, 2009 at 6:04pm

SONAR TECHNICIAN (SURFACE)
(STG)
NAVPERS 18068-73C
________________________________
NAVY ENLISTED OCCUPATIONAL STANDARDS
FOR
SONAR TECHNICIAN (SURFACE) (STG)
SCOPE OF RATING
Sonar Technicians, Surface (STG) operate (manipulate, control, evaluate, and interpret
data) surface sonar and other oceanographic systems; operate surface ship underwater
fire control systems (with associated equipment) for the solution of antisubmarine
warfare problems; perform organizational and intermediate maintenance on surface
sonar and allied equipment.
These Occupational Standards are to be incorporated in Volume I, Part B, of the Manual
of Navy Enlisted Manpower and Personnel Classifications and Occupational Standards
(NAVPERS 18068F) as Chapter 73.
NAVPERS 18068-73C
STG-1
GENERAL INFORMATION
CAREER PATTERN
SEAMAN
STGCM
STGCS
STGC
STG1
STG2
STG3
APPRENTICESHIP
Normal path of advancement to Chief Warrant Officer and Limited Duty Officer categories can be found
in OPNAVINST 1420.1 series.
SPECIAL PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS
Normal color perception. Refer to Chapter 15 of the Manual of the Medical Department, U.S. Navy for
details on color perception requirements. Minimum auditory requirements:
STG
CYCLES 500 1000 2000 4000
ISO 35 30 30 40
Examinations shall be conducted as specified in Chapter 15 of the Manual of the Medical Department
once each calendar year and results entered on page 13 of the Enlisted Service Record. Personnel
failing the examination shall be reported to the Commander Navy Personnel Command (Pers-815) via
the Type Commander with recommendation for disposition.
CITIZENSHIP/SECURITY REQUIREMENTS
Must be eligible for access to classified information.
SAFETY
The observance of proper safety precautions in all areas is an
integral part of each billet and the responsibility of every Navy
man and woman; safety is a universal requirement for all ratings.
STG-2
SONAR TECHNICIAN (SURFACE) (STG) FUNCTIONAL AREAS
A. SONAR OPERATIONS
B. SONAR SYSTEM MAINTENANCE
C. MECHANICAL SYSTEMS
D. SOUND SILENCING
E. SONAR SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE
F. TECHNICAL ADMINISTRATION
G. WEAPONS SYSTEMS
STG-3
SONAR TECHNICIAN (SURFACE) THIRD CLASS (STG3)
A. SONAR OPERATIONS
A001 PERFORM SYSTEM OPERATIONAL CHECKS
A002 PERFORM SONAR EQUIPMENT AND SPACES CHECKS
A003 CHECK INTELLIGENCE THREAT DATA FOR CONTACTS OF INTEREST
A006 CONDUCT SONAR SEARCHES
A008 SECURE SONAR AND UNDERWATER FIRE CONTROL SYSTEM (UFCS)/ANTISUBMARINE
WARFARE CONTROL SYSTEM (ASWCS) EQUIPMENT FOR SHOCK
A009 DETECT ACOUSTIC CONTACTS
A010 LOG CONTACT DATA
A011 DETERMINE CONTACT BEARING
A014 TRACK ACOUSTIC CONTACTS
A015 RECOMMEND WAKE OR BAFFLE CLEARING MANEUVERS
A016 RECOMMEND OWN SHIP COURSE AND SPEED CHANGES
A026 INPUT COUNTERMEASURES (CM) OPERATOR PANEL AND REMOTE PANEL SETTINGS
A027 CALCULATE SONAR PERFORMANCE PARAMETERS (SOURCE LEVELS (Ls), NOISE
LEVELS (Ln), ETC)
A028 EVALUATE SONAR PERFORMANCE (MANUAL RANGE PREDICTIONS, SONAR IN-SITU
MODE ASSESSMENT SYSTEMS (SIMAS), ETC)
A030 DETERMINE UNDERWATER SOUND PROPAGATION PATHS
A031 CALCULATE DETECTION AND COUNTER DETECTION RANGE PROBABILITY
A032 LAUNCH EXPENDABLE BATHYTHERMOGRAPHS (XBT)
A033 ANALYZE EXPENDABLE BATHYTHERMOGRAPHS (XBT) DATA
A034 RIG AND DEPLOY SONOBUOYS
A035 LAUNCH MINI MOBILE TARGET/EXPENDABLE MOBILE ACOUSTIC TRAINING TARGET
A036 COLLECT EXERCISE/EVENT DATA
A039 OBTAIN WATER DEPTH SOUNDINGS
A040 REFINE CONTACT POSITIONS USING TARGET MOTION INDICATORS
A041 IDENTIFY EQUIPMENT MALFUNCTIONS
A042 INTERPRET COMPUTERIZED ALERTING SYSTEMS DATA
A043 CONVERT ACOUSTIC DATA INTO REPORTING FORMATS
A045 CONVERT BETWEEN TRUE AND RELATIVE BEARINGS
A046 REPORT CONTACTS
A047 OBTAIN CONTACT TURN COUNTS OR SHAFT RPM
A048 IDENTIFY CONTACT CONFIDENCE LEVELS
A050 DETERMINE CONTACT RANGES
A051 DETERMINE CONTACT GEOGRAPHIC POSITION
A053 PERFORM TARGET MOTION ANALYSIS (TMA)
A054 PLOT CONTACTS
A055 COMPUTE ANGLE ON THE BOW (AOB)
A056 COMPUTE CONTACT COURSE AND SPEED
A057 COMPUTE CONTACT CLOSEST POINT OF APPROACH (CPA)
A059 INTERPRET ACTIVE SONAR ECHO CHARACTERISTICS
A060 IDENTIFY ACOUSTIC SOURCE RELATIONSHIPS
A061 IDENTIFY CONTACT OPERATING CHARACTERISTICS
A066 IDENTIFY SURFACED AND SUBMERGED TRANSIENT NOISES
A067 IDENTIFY CONTACT MANEUVERS (CONTACT TURN TOWARD, ETC)
A069 DETECT SUBMERGED OBJECTS (MINES, BOTTOM CONTOUR, ETC)
A071 DETERMINE BEST DEPTH FOR CONTACT TO AVOID DETECTION
A073 IDENTIFY OCEAN ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES
A074 IDENTIFY ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS ON ACOUSTIC DISPLAYS
A075 MAKE ACOUSTIC DATA TAPE RECORDINGS
A077 ANALYZE GRAMS, CHARTS, AND TAPE RECORDING DATA
A078 COLLECT ACOUSTIC INTELLIGENCE (ACINT) DATA
A080 ESTABLISH VOICE UNDERWATER COMMUNICATIONS
STG-4
A085 TRANSMIT PROBE ALERT MESSAGES
A087 UPDATE EMISSION CONTROL (EMCON) CONDITIONS
A088 ANALYZE ACTIVE AND PASSIVE CONTACT DATA
B. SONAR SYSTEM MAINTENANCE
B091 CLEAN AND INSPECT SONAR ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT
B092 ADJUST SONAR DETECTING/RANGING EQUIPMENT
B093 CALIBRATE SONAR DETECTING/RANGING EQUIPMENT
B094 TROUBLESHOOT SONAR DETECTING/RANGING EQUIPMENT
B095 REPLACE COMPONENTS OF SONAR DETECTING/RANGING EQUIPMENT
B096 PERFORM ACTIVE SONAR TRANSMITTER SOURCE LEVEL TESTS
B097 INSPECT TOWED ARRAYS
B098 FILL TOWED ARRAYS
B099 TEST AND OPERATE SONAR ACOUSTIC EQUIPMENT
B100 CLEAN AND INSPECT SONAR ACOUSTIC COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT
B101 TROUBLESHOOT SONAR ACOUSTIC EQUIPMENT
B102 REPLACE COMPONENTS OF SONAR ACOUSTIC EQUIPMENT
B103 TEST AND OPERATE SONAR BATHYTHERMOGRAPHIC EQUIPMENT
B104 CLEAN AND INSPECT SONAR BATHYTHERMOGRAPHIC EQUIPMENT
B105 TROUBLESHOOT SONAR BATHYTHERMOGRAPHIC EQUIPMENT
B106 REPLACE COMPONENTS OF SONAR BATHYTHERMOGRAPHIC EQUIPMENT
B107 TEST AND OPERATE SONAR CLASSIFICATION/DATA GATHERING EQUIPMENT
B108 CLEAN AND INSPECT SONAR CLASSIFICATION/DATA GATHERING EQUIPMENT
B109 TROUBLESHOOT SONAR CLASSIFICATION/DATA GATHERING EQUIPMENT
B110 REPLACE COMPONENTS OF SONAR CLASSIFICATION/DATA GATHERING EQUIPMENT
B111 TEST AND OPERATE TOWED COUNTERMEASURES (CM) EQUIPMENT
B112 CLEAN AND INSPECT TOWED COUNTERMEASURES (CM) EQUIPMENT
B113 TROUBLESHOOT TOWED COUNTERMEASURES (CM) EQUIPMENT
B114 REPLACE COMPONENTS OF TOWED COUNTERMEASURES (CM) EQUIPMENT
B115 TEST AND OPERATE SONAR DEPTH SOUNDING EQUIPMENT
B116 CLEAN AND INSPECT SONAR DEPTH SOUNDING EQUIPMENT
B117 TROUBLESHOOT SONAR DEPTH SOUNDING EQUIPMENT
B118 REPLACE COMPONENTS OF SONAR DEPTH SOUNDING EQUIPMENT
B119 REPLACE ELECTROSTATIC DISCHARGE (ESD) SENSITIVE COMPONENTS
B120 REPAIR INTERFACES BETWEEN EQUIPMENT
B121 TEST OPERATE TOWED SENSOR ELECTRIC AND ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS
B122 CLEAN AND INSPECT TOWED SENSOR ELECTRIC AND ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS
B123 TROUBLESHOOT TOWED SENSOR ELECTRIC AND ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS
B124 ADJUST TOWED SENSOR ELECTRIC AND ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS
B125 OPERATE GENERAL PURPOSE ELECTRONIC TEST EQUIPMENT (GPETE)
B126 TROUBLESHOOT SONAR COMPUTERS
B127 REPLACE SONAR COMPUTER COMPONENTS
B128 TROUBLESHOOT SONAR COMPUTER PERIPHERAL EQUIPMENT
B129 REPLACE SONAR COMPUTER PERIPHERAL EQUIPMENT COMPONENTS
B211 PERFORM SONAR SYSTEM CONSOLIDATED OPERABILITY TESTS (SCOT)
B212 PERFORM BEARING AND RANGE ACCURACY TESTS
B213 DEGAUSS SONAR DATA GATHERING MAGNETIC TAPE RECORDER HEADS AND TAPES
B214 REPLACE TOWED ARRAY SECTIONS
B215 CLEAN AND INSPECT SONAR AND UNDERWATER FIRE CONTROL SYSTEM
(UFCS)/ANTISUBMARINE WARFARE CONTROL SYSTEM (ASWCS)
C. MECHANICAL SYSTEMS
C132 START UP HYDRAULIC PUMPS AND MOTORS
C133 TEST HYDRAULIC PUMPS AND MOTORS
C134 DEPLOY TOWED ARRAYS
STG-5
C135 RETRIEVE TOWED ARRAYS
C136 CHANGE TOWED ARRAYS CABLE SCOPE
C137 CLEAN AND INSPECT TOWED ARRAY HANDLING/STOWAGE GROUP (TAHSG)
EQUIPMENT
C138 TROUBLESHOOT TOWED ARRAY HANDLING/STOWAGE GROUP (TAHSG) EQUIPMENT
C139 LUBRICATE TOWED ARRAY HANDLING/STOWAGE GROUP (TAHSG) EQUIPMENT
C140 ADJUST TOWED ARRAY HANDLING/STOWAGE GROUP (TAHSG) EQUIPMENT
C141 STREAM OR RECOVER TOWED COUNTERMEASURES (CM)
C142 CLEAN AND INSPECT COUNTERMEASURES (CM) HANDLING GROUPS
C143 LUBRICATE COUNTERMEASURES (CM) HANDLING GROUPS
C144 ADJUST COUNTERMEASURES (CM) HANDLING GROUPS
C145 INSPECT COUNTERMEASURES (CM) TOW OR TOWED ARRAY CABLES
C146 RIG OR UNRIG HYDROPHONE TEST BOOMS
C154 REPLACE PAPER DRIVE RECORDER HELICES AND STYLI
C155 REPLACE PAPER DRIVE RECORDER PAPER ROLLS
C156 LINE UP ELECTRONIC COOLING SYSTEMS (ECS) VALVES
C157 TEST ELECTRONIC COOLING SYSTEMS (ECS) FLOW RATE SWITCHES, FLOWMETERS,
AND INDICATORS
C158 INSPECT ELECTRONIC COOLING SYSTEMS (ECS) MICRON FILTERS
C159 REPLACE ELECTRONIC COOLING SYSTEMS (ECS) MICRON FILTERS
C160 CLEAN AND INSPECT EQUIPMENT AIR FILTERS (CHARCOAL, MESH, ETC)
C161 REPLACE EQUIPMENT AIR FILTERS
C162 CLEAN AND INSPECT HEAT EXCHANGERS
C163 CLEAN AND INSPECT SONAR DOME PRESSURIZATION SYSTEMS
C164 REPLACE SONAR DOME PRESSURIZATION SYSTEM COMPONENTS
C204 ADJUST AND ALIGN SONAR DOME PRESSURIZATION COMPONENTS
E. SONAR SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE
E177 PERFORM TACTICAL SYSTEM PROGRAM INITIALIZATIONS
F. TECHNICAL ADMINISTRATION
F187 UPDATE SONAR LOGS
F190 DOCUMENT EXPENDABLE BATHYTHERMOGRAPHIC (XBT) DATA
F191 INVENTORY SONOBUOYS
F193 INVENTORY MAINTENANCE ASSISTANCE MODULES (MAMS)
G. WEAPONS SYSTEMS
G199 LOAD AND UNLOAD TORPEDO TUBES
G201 PERFORM TORPEDO HANDLING DURING ONLOAD/OFFLOAD EVOLUTIONS
SONAR TECHNICIAN (SURFACE) SECOND CLASS (STG2)
A. SONAR OPERATIONS
A004 DETERMINE OPTIMUM SONAR OPERATING MODES
A005 DETERMINE OPTIMUM SONAR SUITE CONFIGURATION
A007 COMPUTE SEARCH ARCS FROM UNDERWATER FIRE CONTROL SYSTEM
(UFCS)/ANTISUBMARINE WARFARE CONTROL SYSTEM (ASWCS) DATA
A012 RESOLVE TOWED ARRAY BEARING AMBIGUITY
A013 ASSIGN PRIORITIES TO CONTACTS
A017 RECOMMEND SONAR OPERATING MODES TO BRIDGE OR COMBAT INFORMATION
CENTER
STG-6
A019 RECOMMEND USE OF EVASION DEVICES
A020 RECOMMEND SONAR SENSOR TACTICAL EMPLOYMENT
A021 CONN SHIP USING UNDERWATER FIRE CONTROL (UFCP) PLOT DURING ANTISUMARINE
(ASW) ATTACKS
A023 CONDUCT ANTI-SUBMARINE WARFARE (ASW) ATTACKS
A024 COLLECT ANTI-SUBMARINE WARFARE (ASW) WEAPONS FIRING DATA
A025 ANALYZE ANTI-SUBMARINE WARFARE (ASW) WEAPONS FIRING DATA
A029 DETERMINE AMBIENT LIMITED AND BREAKPOINT SPEEDS
A038 INTERPRET HYDROGRAPHIC CHARTS
A049 CORRELATE LAMPS AND UNDERWATER FIRE CONTROL SYSTEM
(UFCS)/ANTI-SUBMARINE WARFARE CONTROL SYSTEM (ASWCS) CONTACT DATA
A052 DETERMINE CONTACT ASPECT
A062 CLASSIFY ACOUSTIC SIGNATURES TO PLATFORM TYPE
A063 CLASSIFY ACOUSTIC SIGNATURES TO PLATFORM CLASS
A064 IDENTIFY CONTACT WEAPONS AND SENSOR SYSTEMS CAPABILITIES
A065 MANUALLY CALCULATE CONTACT DOPPLER AND RANGE RATES
A068 IDENTIFY EVASION DEVICES AND ACOUSTIC JAMMING
A070 DETERMINE BEST AREA FOR CONTACT TO AVOID DETECTION
A072 ANALYZE OCEANOGRAPHIC AND METEOROLOGICAL DATA
A076 ANNOTATE GRAMS, CHARTS, AND TAPE RECORDINGS
A086 CORRELATE MULTISENSOR DATA
A089 PERFORM WEAPONS SELECTIONS
A090 LAUNCH ANTI-SUBMARINE WARFARE (ASW) WEAPONS
B. SONAR SYSTEM MAINTENANCE
B130 TROUBLESHOOT SONAR DESK TOP COMPUTERS
B131 REPLACE SONAR DESK TOP COMPUTER COMPONENTS
B210 PERFORM OVERALL COMBAT SYSTEMS OPERABILITY TEST (OCSOT)
B216 MONITOR SONAR NOISE RECOGNITION DIFFERENTIAL (NRD) MEASUREMENTS
B217 REPLACE HYDROPHONES AND TRANSDUCERS
C. MECHANICAL SYSTEMS
C147 PREPARE SONAR DOME FOR ENTRY
C148 CLEAN AND INSPECT SONAR DOME INTERIORS
C149 CLEAN AND INSPECT SONAR DOME WATERTIGHT DOORS
C150 LUBRICATE SONAR DOME WATERTIGHT DOORS
C151 TEST SONAR DOME WATERTIGHT DOORS
C152 TEST SONAR DOME PRESSURIZATION SYSTEMS
C153 PERFORM SONAR DOME AIR-WATER INTERCHANGES
D. SOUND SILENCING
D168 IDENTIFY AND ISOLATE SOURCES OF SELF NOISE
D171 INSPECT RESILIENT MOUNTS AND GROUND STRAPS
STG-7
E. SONAR SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE
E172 RECORD DATA TO/RETRIEVE DATA FROM DIGITAL DATA STORAGE DEVICES
E173 COPY DATABASES
E178 PERFORM TACTICAL SYSTEM PROGRAM RECOVERIES
E179 PERFORM TACTICAL SYSTEM DATABASE RECOVERIES
E180 INSTALL TACTICAL SYSTEM SOFTWARE
E181 COPY TACTICAL SYSTEM SOFTWARE
F. TECHNICAL ADMINISTRATION
F192 DOCUMENT OWN-SHIP-RADIATED NOISE LEVELS
G. WEAPONS SYSTEMS
G200 PRESET SHIPBOARD TORPEDOES
G202 CONDUCT WEAPONS RECEIPT OR TRANSFER INSPECTIONS
G203 TRANSFER WEAPONS
SONAR TECHNICIAN (SURFACE) FIRST CLASS (STG1)
A. SONAR OPERATIONS
A022 RECOMMEND TORPEDO EVASIVE MANEUVERS
A037 EVALUATE EXERCISE/EVENT DATA
A079 PREPARE ACOUSTIC INTELLIGENCE (ACINT) DATA FOR SHIPMENT
C. MECHANICAL SYSTEMS
C165 MONITOR SONAR DOME AIR-WATER INTERCHANGES
D. SOUND SILENCING
D169 UPDATE OWN-SHIP'S QUIET SHIP BILL
F. TECHNICAL ADMINISTRATION
F182 EVALUATE NEW ANTI-SUBMARINE WARFARE (ASW) EQUIPMENT OPERATIONAL TEST
DATA
F185 PREPARE SONAR SEARCH PLANS (FIXED AND MOBILE)
F186 UPDATE SONAR SEARCH PLANS (FIXED AND MOBILE)
F197 UPDATE COMBAT SYSTEM SMOOTH LOGS
F198 UPDATE SONAR DOME DIVE LOGS
F205 SUPERVISE INTEGRATED UNDERWATER SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM (IUSS) QUALITY
ASSURANCE (QA) PROGRAM
F207 DEVELOP SURVEILLANCE TRAINING AND OPERATING PROCEDURES (SURTOPS)
TRAINING PROGRAM
F208 UPDATE SURVEILLANCE TRAINING AND OPERATING PROCEDURES (SURTOPS)
TRAINING PROGRAM
G. WEAPONS SYSTEMS
G202 CONDUCT WEAPONS RECEIPT OR TRANSFER INSPECTIONS
STG-8
CHIEF SONAR TECHNICIAN (SURFACE) (STGC)
A. SONAR OPERATIONS
A018 RECOMMEND ACTIONS TO REDUCE OWN SHIP'S DETECTABILITY
A044 ANALYZE COORDINATED ANTI-SUBMARINE WARFARE (ASW) OPERATIONS
A058 COMPUTE CONTACT INTERCEPT COURSES
A081 DRAFT TACTICAL MESSAGES
A082 UPDATE TACTICAL MESSAGES
A083 INTERPRET INFORMATION FROM TACTICAL MESSAGES
A084 REVIEW OPERATIONAL MESSAGES
C. MECHANICAL SYSTEMS
C166 COORDINATE SONAR DOME DIVING EVOLUTIONS
C167 COORDINATE SONAR DOME CLOSEOUT EVOLUTIONS
D. SOUND SILENCING
D170 ANALYZE ACOUSTIC TRIAL REPORT DATA
E. SONAR SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE
E174 RECORD TACTICAL SYSTEM HARDWARE MODIFICATIONS
E175 RECORD TACTICAL SYSTEM SOFTWARE REVISION INSTALLATIONS
E176 UPDATE TACTICAL SYSTEMS SOFTWARE TAPE LIBRARY
F. TECHNICAL ADMINISTRATION
F183 EVALUATE ANTI-SUBMARINE WARFARE (ASW) DOCTRINE EXPERIMENTAL
PROCEDURES
F184
F188
F189
F194
F195
F196
F206
F209
RECOMMEND CHANGES TO ANTI-SUBMARINE WARFARE (ASW) DOCTRINE
ANALYZE WEAPONS SYSTEM ACCURACY TESTS (WSAT)
REVIEW WEAPONS SYSTEM ACCEPTANCE TESTS
REVIEW OWN-SHIP'S ACOUSTIC TRIAL REPORTS
ANALYZE WEAPONS SYSTEM TEST DATA
PREPARE WEAPONS FIRING REPORTS
COORDINATE INTEGRATED UNDERWATER SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM (IUSS) QUALITY
ASSURANCE PROGRAM
COORDINATE SURVEILLANCE TRAINING AND OPERATING PROCEDURES (SURTOPS)
TRAINING PROGRAM
SENIOR CHIEF SONAR TECHNICIAN (SURFACE) (STGCS)
RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL PREVIOUS OCCUPATIONAL STANDARDS IN ADDITION TO
THE NAVAL STANDARDS
MASTER CHIEF SONAR TECHNICIAN (SURFACE) (STGCM)
RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL PREVIOUS OCCUPATIONAL STANDARDS IN ADDITION TO
THE NAVAL STANDARDS
STG-9

Comment by Melissa (Tucson) on May 31, 2009 at 11:48pm

Laura, I just checked and I did send you an email on 5/21. I resent it just now. :)

Comment by Melissa (Tucson) on May 31, 2009 at 11:41pm

Hi Laura:
I thought I sent you an email last week???? I'm going to go back and check....I'm not that forgetful. Spencer is almost done, right? Are you planning on coming out anytime soon or will he take leave from he reports to his ship?

Comment by Melissa (Tucson) on May 31, 2009 at 6:53pm

Some surface rates complete Surface Common Core (SCC)

Comment by Melissa (Tucson) on May 31, 2009 at 6:44pm

Diane: He should get his orders for his first duty station in "C" school. Depending on budgets cuts and all...

Comment by Dianne on May 29, 2009 at 4:45pm

LOL Donna.

Comment by Melissa (Tucson) on May 28, 2009 at 11:54pm

I've been here, right ladies??? Where have you been Laura??? lol

Comment by Dianne on May 28, 2009 at 1:36pm

My son is a 5 year with no C school.

Comment by Dianne on May 27, 2009 at 1:37pm

My nephew is a recruiter in California, I told him about the recruits being on hold at Great Lakes, he was very surprised. They really don't inform the recruiters of much once our kids go to boot camp. He said there are sooooo few jobs available that out of 20 recruits only 3 may actually get in.

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