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Females on Submarines what do you think about it.
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Permalink Reply by NorthernRN (Nancy) on
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*L* Talk about stirring up a hornet's nest... You must be a glutton for punishment! But I commend you for starting this group - you're a brave soul! :) (and I mean that with all due respect...)
My experience with subs is minimal at best - my brand new son in law is on a sub and that is the extent of my experience. I am a huge proponent of women's rights, but I don't think that just because you can retrofit a sub to accomodate a female's needs that means females should serve on subs. Personally, I don't think females should be on subs. Not because I don't think they could "do the job" (they probably could), but because of the extremely close environment and the undersea/lack of sunshine environment for days & days. Women work differently than men and that's just not a good mix in a tight environment, in a closed capsule, underneath the water, for extended periods of time. Throw in hormones (I'm an OB nurse - I know hormones) & emotions and it's just not a good mix (for LOTS of OB reasons- too many to name here, starting with pregnancy).
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Permalink Reply by Gloria P. on
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Thanks Nancy thats what I was going for. I'm also for women rights but when it comes to submarines.... My son has been in the Navy now for 1 year. At the present moment his sub is not on deployment he is learning everything he can about his job. He's told me that its kind of tight in there just with the guys imagine with the females.. I don't want anyone to think I started this discussion to get anyone upset but I felt with this being on the news it was worth talking about....( thanks again ).
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"Kinda tight" is putting it nicely. Logan gave me a tour of his sub (a fast attack) and you literally have to put your body sideways in the hallway to let somebody else pass. And if you have any size to you (and this would include breasts), they will rub against the person passing by. Put a busty female on a sub carrying 150 males, many in the 18-25 year old male category, and that's just not a pretty picture. In trying to be fair to females (by letting them serve on subs), you would be putting our young male sailors in a horrible position - serve in a tight area, with raging hormones, with a female that you can't touch, over a long period of time. Where is the fairness to our male sailors?
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I know what you mean Nancy. I saw a video on TV not to long ago can't remember if it was on the military channel. They were talking about subs and the topic on women on them came up. I think in the Royal Navy they have females on board. It show one of female sailors talking about her job on the sub and how she felt being around the men. What caught my eye was a sailor came out of a corner in his underwear like nothing. I would be distracted if that was me.
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Lisa - I read somewhere that the Navy is thinking about retrofitting boomers (the bigger subs) to allow for male & female berthing areas. My SIL is a nuke mechanic also and I can't picture him working with any females. In that environment, with the stress and language and emotions, because men & women handle things differently, about the first time one of the guys swore at one of the girls (guys can swear at other guys and they don't think anything of it), you know there is going to be somebody complaining up the chain because somebody used inappropriate language, which, unfortunately, is second nature to some of these characters (God love em). *L* But can you imagine the problems the commanders will have on these boats???
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Permalink Reply by Rhonda8881 on
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As a woman, I would not want to be on a sub with 150+/- men. Can you imagine the smell?!?!?!? There is no room for separate facilities and what about hot racking? I don't think my submariner would like women on board. Too distracting!
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Permalink Reply by Mark on
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Ran across a submariner blog that has a very long thread devoted to this issue. Most is very thoughtful, with a few knuckleheads throwing in as well. Either way - it is compelling reading, prepare to spend several hours going through it...
http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2009/09/skimmer-cjcs-supports-women...
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Permalink Reply by Kaye S. on
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I don't think the Navy is PLANNING on it... I think Adm. Mullen just "proposed" the idea. There will, of course, be much debate and hot-winded wrangling over it. Don't look for it anytime soon. So far, all the arguments against it are the same ones raised over women being on ships. Guess it's inevitable...
Actually, I think there will be less trouble on a sub than a ship because the quarters ARE so close. The crew is so small that everyone knows what everyone else is up to. It would be virtually impossible to "carry on" without the rest of the crew knowing about it. -
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Kaye -
Unfortunately, according to the Honolulu Advertiser today, the Navy is moving out on this....
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20091006/NEWS01/910060356...
If this link doesn't work, go to www.honoluluadvertiser.com. It's a front page headline...
Fortunately, the fast attack subs at Pearl won't be affected, at least not this year or next.... -
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Thanks Nancy for that link.....its interesting how the Navy plans on doing this.......my son is on a fast attack in Pearl so good to know nothing will happen for a few years...... just want him to get his quads done without any distraction.
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My son just got assigned to a fast attack and goes underway for the first time next week. i asked him how he felt about females on the sub and he HATED the idea. He's a nuke mechanic also and said there are areas where they just aren't strong enough, or get too moody (he's 21, so any little emotion when working is "moody" to him), but he did say that they had to pick up the slack where females are concerned. He certainly doesn't mind women in the military, just DOES NOT want them on the sub, and thinks it would be totally unfair for them to get special treatment or more space simply because they are female.
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