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Gays allowed in the military starting today (Sept 20th)

Whether you like it or hate it, today is the day that the military allows openly gay military service members to serve.  

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-signs-repeal-dont-la...

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/us-usa-military-gays-idUS...

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I really don't care who is in...BUT I don't think those kicked out due to DADT should get speical treatment and allowed back in.  WHY?  They broke the law when they where kicked out.

I would like to see the ones who really need veteran services get that.  

 

I served with many gay service members, and that was before DADT when things were truly wretched for them.  So glad every qualified patriot as the chance to serve.

Nick's Mom, Well said! I applaud President Obama for doing away with the old policy. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with patriotism. If you love your country and want to defend it, being gay should not prevent you from doing so. It is true that the most tolerant, kind and heroic people I know are gay. It did my heart good to see service members marching in the Gay Pride parade in San Diego, and it hadn't been made law yet. The fact that they did so and openly carried signs that identified which branch of the Armed Forces they represented took more courage than the average person has!

Just curious, what do you guys think about having "transgender" sailors serving?  

 

By this, I mean suppose you have a male sailor that desires to be a female.  They take the estrogen tablets and develop boobs, but still have their male "equipment".  The reason I ask this is because we just had this happen at my work with a civilian.  We were actually counseled by our HR that must accept this persons desires to switch, and that from now on Frank, will now be called Susan.  Although I don't agree with this due to my religious beleifs, what I totally didn't agree with this that this persons rights to change his/her sex over rode my religious beliefs.  The reason? Their's is a protected status.

Secondly, this person is now allowed to use the female bathrooms.  I'm ok with him/her using the female bathrooms since most are stalls, and you gals have somewhat privacy (I say "somewhat" because you gals always are breaking the stall door locks).  However, what I don't agree with is that this person can also go into the females shower room and change with the women.  Just wonder how you gals would feel to undress and to shower next to someone that still has the "equipment" standing next to you?  How would you feel if your 12 year old daughter was in this same position?  

Everyone has a view on this subject.  Myself, I can deal with gays serving as long as they don't flaunt the fact. Keep your sexual preference to yourself (ie don't kiss and tell).  Secondly, per the statement of "I think everyone has the right to serve",  I truly don't believe this.  Not everyone has a right to serve in the military.  You can't have someone, like a terrorist, that doesn't believe in America's freedom & values to serve.

Just my thoughts...

 

I don't necessarily have a problem with the DADT being repealed.. but it is going to open up a WHOLE lotta other issues.. ie. benefits for dependants, medical for treatments such as you described, bigger harrassment issues.. I am not sure the military is equipped to deal with the fall out of this. Legal and otherwise.

Always an interesting topic, Craig.  I have no problem with anyone serving our country, no matter what their sexual persuasion is... in my mind, they are all patriots.  That being said, how exactly will the Navy deal with this in regards to berthing?  Males and females are housed in separate berthing areas of the ships (i.e on the carriers, the female berthing is in the bow of the ship, usually two decks below the hanger bay) for obvious reasons of privacy, and to discourage sexual trists.  (If anyone really believes that this still doesn't happen on board, then you have your head in the sand.)  When my daughter was on board a carrier, she knew of a group of lesbian girls in her compartment that blatently broke these rules.  While most of us can accept an individual's right to their own sexual preference, I'm sure there are plenty that aren't so accepting and do not feel comfortable sharing a very close living space under those circumstances.  Now what?  Just curious.

I had gay female room mates in the Navy, we worked out who would have what sex when so as not to bother the others.  Most adults of any sexual persuasion are not so stupid as to annoy the hell out of other adults they live closely with.   The lesbians on her ship were being rude and selfish... and that usually ends their asses in front of the CO, or their butts kicked in the gear locker.  Rules will still be rules to be followed, with consequences.  I'm betting there will be crackdowns on what is already going on, as it is under scrutiny.

 

Dependents will be dependents, that will not be hard to sort out.   The percentage of legally married gays will be quite low until the states catch up individually.

 

There will be sets of rules for transgendered individuals, we just don't know what that will be yet.  Perhaps they won't be able to enlist until their physical transformation is complete.  Although I am confused about the 12 year old remark.  12 year olds don't shower with adults in most cases, do they?  

 

I recall the huge fuss when women were placed on ships.  The military integrated racially before the civilian world.  There is always something to fuss about, and there are always growing pains and eventually, solutions.  I plan to be as supportive and positive as possible.

Anti - Per your comment "12 year olds don't shower with adults in most cases, do they?"

 

I use a military physcial fitness center, the rule is "“Children over the age of 2 are not permitted in the locker room of the opposite sex, except during the hours of family swim when children age 6 and under can be in the locker room of the opposite sex if accompanied by an adult.”  While you shower or even change, a child is checking you out.  It's human nature. 

What I would hate is if my wife is in the shower room, with my daughter, and someone that has the "equipment" just flops it out and makes it like it's nothing.  It is something!!!  Even though my wife would come home saying "boy, did I have an interesting workout".  It's my daughter (if she was 12) that I'm concerned with.  She shouldn't have to think or analize this subject at this age.  12 year old girls have alot more things to worry to think about than that (ie periods, guy pressuring for sex,...etc).  

Bottomline, if you brought your niece into the shower room with you, and some person with boobs on the top, and a schlong on the bottom comes in and starts undressing in front of her, can you accept this?  or do you alter you life from now on because 1 person in 100,000 rights overrides your by allowing them to use the shower room.  Yes, these people could use the "family only" rooms, but they are not required to.  

In fact, for that matter, what prevents some normal (?) guy of changing their name and just perv inside the womens locker room with the excuse of "I'm gonna get a sex change".  Legally, you probably can't do anything except drop your top and say "Look, we both have droppy body parts, me on the top, you on the bottom"....

Well, I could accept it. But yeah, I can see how some would find it traumatic.  Still, kids take cues from the adults around them, and usually are happy to take a simple explanation and don't care much about technical details.  At least, the kids I know with counter-culture parents.  "Some people are born different" is enough of an explanation for them.  I am sure this horrifies some of their other relatives.  

I think the perv angle concerning GLBT people is overstated, they aren't child molesters any more or less than a heterosexual adult.  A child molester can be any gender or sexual preference. Most transgendered folk aren't going to put themselves in situations which are a huge hassle. I worry more about guys who put tiny cameras in toilets than a live person who may or may not have mismatched sets of gear and tackle.  A live person can be nailed in whatever tender bits they are sporting.

 

LOL, I embarrass my health care providers.  

My sons have served with gays and their outlook was you do what you want but I'm not interested.  These young men have been guets in our home at different times and they still call me "mom" the only difference I see is now people would know for sure but as long as they got my sons backs I dont have a problem..  Transgender still to new for me to accept or understand enough to give an informed thought on. But would have to think the change would have to be complete before enlistment and man what a headache for the medicals.
Transgender may make them medically ineligible.   I could understand that.

ok...I am going to put my 2 cents in as I have been in on the ground floor of all the training we got. 

 

The gay "spouse" isn't going to get any benfits from the military as they the DOD goes by federal law.  There really is no legal issues regarding this, as if people need to get the Federal goverment to fix that, not the DOD. 

 

There has been openly gay people serving in the military for years and years...if people don't belive that they are wrong.  There is no issue with our berthings...we have been living side by side with gays for years. 

 

For those that do harm in any way to the gays that do come out, THEY (not the gays') will be punshied.  Really people it is no difference than when the military allowed women, and blacks into the service.

 

The transgender on the other hand...I could do with out. 

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