DEP WEIGHT SITUATION

[hansumsgirl93]

Please help ease my mind!  My girl has been in DEP since April 2012, given ship to basic 9/10/12. she is on her 4th recruiter (this station has not been impressive with the professionalism we expected) and is being pushed to be 150 pounds.  She is 5'7", weighs 163.  I looked up the Navy's charting and the max is 167.  Ok, so shouldn't the recruiter in charge of her, if 163 is a problem, be initiating a diet/excercise schedule or at least being involved to get her where he wants her?  Can he really demand 150?

Sunshine

[Kathy (AOMom)]

That is not really how its done, she is within the guidelines, but if she goes over it could be tough, they will then assess her body fat through measurements. I dont believe he can demand 150.  Just as a note, for her entire enlistment she will be required to pass a PFA test in order to stay in the Navy, 3 fails = automatic dismissal. The recruiter should be involved but its up to your daughter to lose the weight and be ready for BC.

[hansumsgirl93]

No idea about her run time...none of the recruiters have assessed anything but the poundage.  They have not been involved since MEPS other than the weekly meetings.  This one is threatening a "list" that would black list her from any branch? Does such a thing exist?

[Concernedad]

This probably won't make us bestest friends, but here's the reality. If you are on your 4th recruiter, and they are not much help, it may well be they don't expect her to make it.

I've seen it first hand as the kid who brought my son in, was quickly ignored based on his ASVAB scores, and the fact that the Navy is being very picky right now.

Recruiters do need to find recruits and if you're not getting much help from them, they may not have confidence in her success.

You can talk to a higher up there, (I tried that with poor results), but please keep in mind, it may be better to face this now as opposed to later. If they feel your daughter should be at 150 lbs, it would probably serve you better to talk to her than someone's boss. It's not like they are going to go easy on her at Boot Camp because she's borderline weight limit.

BTW, it is in no way up to the recruiter to be initiating anything, especially a diet plan.

[hansumsgirl93]

no worries, truth is truth.  the multiple recruiters stems from operations; the original one getting the boot for a physical relationship he was having w/ another female DEP member, both are no longer associated w/ the Navy. guess my beef with it is that the 3rd assigned recruiter would make "house calls" to the school when a male recruit was out of line w/ a teacher or performing badly academically to make sure he graduated - no such involvment for a recruit with no disciplinary record, high ASVAB & 3 yrs NJROTC that happens to be female.  seems a shame; not from a parent point of view, from the American citizen in me.

[Kathy (AOMom)]

Be prepared, even though the Navy is Co-ed its a mans Navy. All benefits are equal, and some may say otherwise, but females (I will only refer to my sailor) are treated differently.

[Concernedad]

Just an idea of how the Navy isn't screwing around....

 

Navy's High-Year-Tenure Policy Updated

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Story Number: NNS120628-18Release Date: 6/28/2012 4:19:00 PM

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By Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Andrea Perez, Navy Personnel Command Public Affairs

MILLINGTON, Tenn. (NNS) -- As a reminder of the implementation date of July 1, a summary of policy changes to the Navy's High Year Tenure (HYT) program were reiterated in NAVADMIN 198/12, released June 28.

The new HYT policy is outlined in MILPERSMAN 1160-120 and takes effect July 1, 2012. It applies to all active-duty, Full-Time Support (FTS) and Selected Reserve (SELRES) Sailors.

HYT sets the maximum number of years an enlisted Sailor may serve based on rank before he or she must advance, separate or if eligible, retire.

NAVADMIN 198/12 highlights other important changes under the new policy, including a reduction in HYT limits for active-duty and FTS Sailors in paygrades E-1 to E-3; elimination of passed not advanced (PNA) for E-3 Sailors to stay on active duty for eight years; a clause allowing approved HYT waivers to be cancelled when not fulfilled as approved; and clarification of reduction-in-rate procedures.

The new HYT limit for E-1 and E-2 active-duty and FTS Sailors is four years, and the new HYT limit for E-3 active-duty and FTS Sailors is five years.

E-1, E-2 and E-3 active-duty and FTS Sailors who are already past the modified HYT limit as of July 1 will be separated by March 31, 2013 unless they receive a HYT waiver or are advanced to a paygrade with a higher HYT limit.

Starting with this March's Navy Wide Advancement Exam, E-3 Sailors who passed, but did not advance, may not continue service beyond the revised HYT limit for their paygrade.

Also under NAVADMIN 198/12, previously approved HYT waiver requests can be cancelled when not fulfilled by the Sailor. If an active-duty or FTS Sailor's waiver is cancelled, separation will occur within 120 days of the cancellation, unless they have time to transfer to the Fleet Reserve or retire. Members of the SELRES will be removed from a SELRES status by the end of the month in which the waiver was cancelled and must transfer to a non-pay status or the retired Reserve (with or without pay), if retirement eligible.

Regarding reduction in rate (RIR), active-duty and FTS Sailors who have been RIR and exceeded the HYT limit for the lower paygrade must separate by their End of Active Obligated Service as extended or Dec. 31, 2012, whichever is sooner, unless they are granted a HYT waiver, reinstated or advanced. Members of the SELRES who have been RIR and have exceeded the HYT limit for the lower paygrade will be transferred to a non-pay status by Dec. 31, unless they are granted a HYT waiver, reinstated or advanced. Other separation timelines for RIR are also discussed in the NAVADMIN.

For more information, read NAVADMIN 198/12 and MILPERSMAN 1160-120, visit the HYT Web Page on the NPC website at www.npc.navy.mil/CAREER/RESERVEPERSONNELMGMT/ENLISTED/Pages/HYT.aspx or call the NPC Customer Service Center at 1-866-U-ASK-NPC or 1-866-827-5672.


For more information, visit www.navy.mil, www.facebook.com/usnavy, or www.twitter.com/usnavy.<BR< a>>
For more news from Navy Personnel Command, visit www.navy.mil/local/npc/.

[lemonelephant]

We used to see recruiters suggesting diet plans (you can do a search in the forums on here and find some), but not so much anymore.  It's a liability issue for them.  Her BMI is in the "Overweight" category (See http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/) and the 150 gets her more in the middle of "Normal weight".  A lot of future Sailors and Sailors gain weight if they are not putting forth effort to keep it under control so that may be why the recruiter is pushing for 150.  Those interested in joining are in charge of getting themselves in shape mentally and physically.  Has she spoken with her physician, checked with a dietician, begun an approved workout routine.....?  After she has had a physical from her physician and is approved for physical activity, she needs to start working on what she will need to do to be able to pass the PFA (See http://www.navy-prt.com/femalestandard/).

[salpetty]

The weight thing is an issue because she's borderline.  If he sends her to bootcamp and she arrives there and weighs in over the limit...even 1 pound over the limit...it's going to look very bad on the recruiter.  She could actually be sent back home from bootcamp.  This happened to someone in my Division way back when.  I assume she hasn't had her run time tested as some recruiting offices just don't have the means or the facilities.  But she still has time to 1) lose a few pounds and 2) get used to the 1.5 mile run in well under 15:00 minutes.  Telling her to weigh 150 is a little much to ask but if she loses just 5 pounds she should be good to go.

[Jo1]

I agree with salpetty and five pounds would probably be fine to lose.  The main thing she needs to focus on is the physical fitness.  Have her run, do push ups and situps, and practice swimming.  At BC she will probably lose weight because all the food is low fat.  My son lost 25 pounds during BC.

[Anti M]

I had shipmates gain weight in boot camp!  Also, TOM can be a factor for women, up to five pounds of water weight.  

[ohcheet (nuke MM3)]

I feel your pain! My son went to the recruiter yesterday to do his last day urine test and weigh in...he's supposed to swear in and ship out today...except that after a large lunch (our going away last meal together) and LOTS of liquid...he weighed in at 4 lbs over and his waist 1 inch too large....they kept him last night at the hotel, and were going to put him through the ringer for PT to see if he couldn't get down to specs, but I'm worried this morning as we prepare to go to his swearing in that we'll be coming home with him.

We've been through the ringer this month with things the Navy required (at the last minute) and things the recruiter didn't mention...all because his ASVAB was high and he was an honor kid who didn't get into any trouble...they "just didn't LOOK at his file before" and it's caused some stress and worry. They rarely met with him, and didn't do much at all in the way of workouts or reminders for weight class. This is just another thing to keep us on pins and needles.

I'm just hoping that this is the one LAST thing...

My best to you and your daughter!
L.

[ohcheet (nuke MM3)]

And to follow up...all is well. My SR son was sworn in this morning and shipped out... big sigh!

 

I hope that your daughter's situation turns out for the best as well!!
Best of luck.

L.