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Comment by diannep on January 22, 2015 at 10:46pm

mlsshp:  She will know by PIR for sure if she has to stand watch and the time.  Not sure how long before that she may know.  Hopefully she won't have to stand watch and you will have more time with her!

Comment by diannep on January 22, 2015 at 10:34pm

coachjb:  I agree with ellen....no need to try and "fight" the military.  They have their rules for a reason....the number one thing is compliance....if a sailor cannot comply with the rules of the Navy, they won't be kept.  They don't ask us to agree with them, they just ask the sailors to comply. 

As far as the recruiters telling them everything, I had to chuckle at bit at that one.  Most are notorious for not telling them everything....or for telling them that it is ok to have a medical condition, just don't mention it.  Then we see that poor SR getting discharged because the medical condition was not disclosed and a waiver obtained.  My son happened to have a good recruiter....who came through with all he promised him.  However, when my son told him that he had gone for some career counseling after getting his A.S. degree, he was told:  Don't mention that.  Hmmmm....

Sorry her recruiter misled her....but it is more about what they DON'T tell you rather than what they DO tell you! 

She will be a sailor soon and that is the important part!  Hoping that you all can work something out.....

Comment by MlsinOH on January 22, 2015 at 10:10pm

Had a question.  Haven't talked to my daughter since Christmas, but through a letter she mentioned that she could have to stand watch on the PIR day.  How much notice will she get that she has a watch assignment and will she know the time.  I believe they are 2 hour intervals. Thanks for any help you can give.  Trying to plan the day and that is a big question mark for us ever since she mentioned it.

Comment by ellen0502 on January 22, 2015 at 7:54pm

coachjb, I am sorry that your SRs grandparents are out of the 50 mile range for a visit to them, and hope there is something that can be worked out for all to have an enjoyable weekend together. The rules of the Navy can be daunting, but they are what they are.

Downtown Chicago is a little shy of 40 miles from Great Lakes, so not an issue traveling there. Perhaps they can travel the ten or so miles into Chicago? 

Boot Camp creates Sailors, their family becomes the Navy, and their home the sea.

Big hugs to you!

Comment by coachjb12003 on January 22, 2015 at 6:29pm

I can understand everything you guys are saying that's why they are suppose to tell an enlisted there options in this case they didn't and since family unification is important I will be addressing it further possibly in a legal manner this is not a prison and how dare them treat the SRs as so

Comment by coachjb12003 on January 22, 2015 at 5:53pm

No her grandfather is 90 and we have people in the suburbs there so that's where everyone staying that ran Chicago downtown is out because that is further than 50 mile so there nowhere to go or nothing to do like I said the rule is they have be back on te and as long as that's done there shouldn't be a problem and it say chicago surrounding area huh but from what you guys are saying it's limited to GL cause basically all the towns outside of GL are over 50 being born and raised in Chicago I no so I am gonna make a fuss cause that was not told to my SR when she enlisted so that will be a conversation discussed with the recruiter and may be a determinating factor cause we have a lot of elders who can't and shouldn't have to go through that to see there Grandaughter and great Grandaughter it would have made a difference in her enlisting

Comment by FireTeamLeaderWife aka FTLW on January 22, 2015 at 4:32pm

coachjb - I ditto diannep! I hope it can be worked out for your Sailor and your family :-)

Comment by diannep on January 22, 2015 at 4:25pm

coachjb :  When the Liberty rules are explained to your SR and her shipmates, and the consequences if they violate them and are "found out," I think she will understand.  Is there any way that her family members can come to HER?  I know she would love to see them.  Any chance that they can bring the "beauty shop" to HER so that she could get her hair done?  I'm hoping that you all can work it out so that she can see everyone and get her hair done too! 

Comment by FireTeamLeaderWife aka FTLW on January 22, 2015 at 4:11pm

When a Sailor/Soldier breaks  a rule it affects them, but it can also affect others. That's just the way it works in the military or even civilian life.

Example: A company restricts the use of cell phones. Maybe a designated area and/or time. Some Team members abuse  the privilege so Management takes the privilege away completely for all of the employees.

We have to look at the bigger picture sometimes. :-)

Comment by FireTeamLeaderWife aka FTLW on January 22, 2015 at 4:07pm

I know it sucks but it matters because it is the Rules. Breaking them results in punishment.

Here are the Rules for Liberty from the RTC Website:

Liberty is ‘time off’ from the daily work routine. Graduating Sailors will be granted daytime liberty after graduation to spend time off-base with their families and friends.  Sailors are expected to act responsibly and maintain military bearing while interacting in a civilian environment. 

1. Graduating Sailors are prohibited from using tobacco products or consuming alcoholic beverages at any time while on liberty, regardless of age.
2. Graduating Sailors are prohibited from operating any motorized vehicles. 
3. Graduating Sailors must remain in their complete uniform while on liberty.  If they are engaging in physical activity or swimming, they must wear the authorized Navy issued workout gear.
4. Food, tobacco products, video cameras, cell phones, or any other portable electronic shall not be brought back to RTC. 
5. Sailors reporting to A School at Training Support Center, Great Lakes generally detach from Recruit Training Command (RTC) on Friday.  Sailors who will attend A School outside of Great Lakes will depart on Saturday. To get the most accurate information please communicate with your recruit.
6. Graduating Sailors departing RTC for follow-on training the same day as graduation or those who are in a duty status will be granted limited on-base liberty.
7. Graduating Sailors must stay within a 50-mile radius of RTC. 
8. Graduating Sailors receive an in-depth liberty briefing prior to their graduation day.

This is also in your Family Guide.

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