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Comment by diannep on January 4, 2011 at 9:11am

gonavy:  They usually start receiving mail after being there about 2 weeks...so hopefully by now, his mail is getting to him!  My letters from my son usually arrived on Thursdays...here in S. Florida.  I believe he was writing on Sundays.

Arwen:  Thanks for breaking down for us what it takes to get into the Navy!  It put a smile on my face.  I know each and every one of our recruits/sailors should feel honored to be a part of our Navy...I know WE are honored to have them in!

My son was one who graduated with another PIR (week later).  In this new division, they only had 65 graduate...and I'm sure they started with around 88 recruits. 

Comment by gonavy2010 on January 4, 2011 at 8:29am

Haven't really been on too much over the past couple of days.  Still waiting on a letter from our son.  I was so hoping yesterday would have been the day.  Will rush to the mailbox again today...hopefully something will be in there!  I hear no news is good news...I just hope all is going well for him...really miss him and just want to hear something!  We have sent him 1 to 2 letters a day since we received his address back on 12/16/10 I really hope he has started to receive mail too! 

Comment by MariaM on January 4, 2011 at 8:09am

Darnell, yes I will be at the meet and greed, I have another mom and dad from here, and I want to mee all of you. !!! Any mail from our Division 913?

 

Comment by Arwen on January 4, 2011 at 2:18am

As a division - being "dropped" means to be told to do push-ups as a punishment.  As in "drop and give me 100."

Comment by hailbop (ship09 div077) on January 4, 2011 at 2:11am

This maybe be totally off topic, but what does it mean to be dropped as a division?

Comment by Arwen on January 4, 2011 at 2:02am

They don't make boot camp easy. After the extensive background checks, the drug tests, academic tests, physical exams, etc, they intentionally stress recruits to see what the first round may have missed. Those whose bodies or psyches fail under the stress of boot camp are likely to fall under the stress of military action/disaster.

 

It doesn't mean the recruit is a failure, failures don't make it that far. It simply means that their talents and future lay elsewhere, in a place without the mental and physical stress that the military puts on people.

 

Think about it this way: only 22 percent of American youth age 18-24 are morally (ie no arrests, drugs), physically and educationally eligible for the military. Of those 22 percent, about half have the scores to get into the Navy (which is far more picky than the Army or Marines right now). That means that most of your recruits are the top 10 percent of all American youth, morally, physically and mentally. And if they pass boot camp, they are in the top 8 percent. If they've been accepted into training as a nuke, cryptology, or special ops, they're in the top 1 percent.

 

Being at the bottom of the top 10 percent isn't what I call failure.

Comment by SuZan on January 4, 2011 at 1:34am

Arwen...thanks for the info, I really had no ideal. I'm just as 'green' as my SR...LOL. Of course I fear that he didn't realize how tough this is, I hope he really applies himself, especially since HE told the recruiter that he needed the dicipline.

Comment by Arwen on January 4, 2011 at 1:21am

Most divisions start with 88 recruits, then shrink and grow as recruits are dropped and they get new recruits who had been injured or held back from earlier divisions.

 

Most PIR with about 70-80 recruits.

Comment by Arwen on January 4, 2011 at 1:18am

They don't actually drop out. It's not up to the recruit. Those who break mentally or physically , or who aren't up to academics, or can't swim, or who get in trouble, are either put in a Holding Division (ship 5) until they are ready to return to training or are released from
the Navy.

 

About 20 percent of recruits do not PIR with their original divisions. Of those, about half will graduate with another division later, for various reasons, and about half will be eventually discharged from the Navy (it usually takes 2-6 weeks from the time they are dropped from training).

 

A long time ago I noticed that a lot of N4M members simply disappear. Some of them simply didn't have time to keep up with the group, some are lurking. However, some are moms whose sailor was dropped from training. I'm sure everyone here can imagine why such moms may not want to stay, or tell the group what happened.

 

Every once in a while you will see a post in the discussions forums from moms who feel that the Navy is somehow at fault, or unfair to their child, or is treating them disrespectfully after the decision is made to discharge their recruits. Know this: many of them are NOT getting the full story from their recruit.

 

I have a cousin who was discharged from the Navy. He fed the family a line of bull about what happened. He still has most of the family convinced that he was horribly wronged by the Navy, that his recruiter lied to him, and because of the lie he failed his school and was "released" with an honorable discharge. I know better: he failed because he didn't study, then he used drugs and was caught, and was given a dishonorable discharge.

Comment by Lilu(ship03 div079) on January 4, 2011 at 12:44am

Mariam, I feel you!!!

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