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Ship 5 - feels so helpless

My son called today from Ship 5. He just arrived at RTC last week and this is the first phone call. He was separated from his group yesterday for "popping" on a urine test ... For morphine ( of all things) He's never been a drug user, and had passed all the previous tests for the past 8 months! (he was in DEP) He is appealing, but what happens now? What are his chances of being proven innocent?? He wanted to retest, take a blood test, anything... Will they really end his Navy career just like that?!?? This just so devastating. Thanks for any advice or info.

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Permalink Reply by CaptainFatso on February 18, 2012 at 2:37am
Great info.

Pookie... When did your son report to MEPS and when did he arrive in GL? Exact hours please.

Here's the thing, my kiddo was in the "custody" of the Navy for a full 48 hours before she even got on the plane to Chicago. Add another 12 hours for getting to the Golden Thirteen and she was at least 60 hrs into the process BEFORE getting a pee test.

Mind you, I'm perfectly capable of believing a lot of crazy stuff, but a bunch of recruits sitting in their MEPS hotel room doing opiates just does not pass the smell test.


Craig BTW, your North paper is forthcoming.
Permalink Reply by Pookie68 on February 19, 2012 at 10:56am
He reported to MEPS Tuesday 4pm. Arrived at RTC late Wednesday, not sure exactly what time, but I'll find out.
Permalink Reply by Pookie68 on February 19, 2012 at 11:09am
Thanks for the info ... I'm trying to figure out if this could have anything to do with his meds from when he had his wisdom teeth out. He passed every test they ever gave him, maybe because HE DOESN'T USE DRUGS! As CaptainFatso says; a bunch of recruits sitting in their MEPS hotel room doing opiates just doesn't fly. This is just so frustrating and disheartening, but we will keep fighting.
Permalink Reply by Anti M on February 19, 2012 at 11:20am

When did he have his wisdom teeth out?  Boot camp or before?   In boot camp, they rarely give them opiate painkillers for that, and if they do,it is in their record.  All he has to do is have them look.

If you sent him to a civilian doctor for the procedure, he should have reported it to the recruiter... including ANY opiate drugs he may have taken. He'd have needed that documented, although I am not certain if he'd have needed a waiver.  Maybe, probably.  If this is not documented, then he may as well have been shooting up heroin.  

ANY medical procedure before boot camp MUST be reported to the recruiter for documentation.

Permalink Reply by Pookie68 on February 19, 2012 at 11:57am
He had his teeth out in December, and I believe he did report it to his recruiter...
Permalink Reply by Anti M on February 19, 2012 at 12:12pm

Opiates don't stay in the body that long... unless he took one later and forgot about it.

Permalink Reply by Craig on February 19, 2012 at 3:30pm

My thought is he had a prescription bottle of drugs given to him for his wisdom teeth.  He probably didn't use all the drugs.  Knowing that he needed to get some sleep before arriving at boot camp AND while still in the hotel, he took these drugs to help him sleep.  Just my guess...

Now if he says he needed them for pain, then I think he can try to fight.  However, if he told anyone at boot camp he took them to get some sleep, then he's screwed.  Again, just my thought...

As Anti says "ANY medical procedure before boot camp MUST be reported to the recruiter for documentation."

I know the Navy drug test is very accurate, but there is always that chance that they messed up.  

Permalink Reply by Sharlene on February 26, 2012 at 4:40pm

That may be a good sign ..... hopefully your son is able to call home often while he is in Ship 5.  It's not an easy place to be.  My son met with legal, but we knew it wasn't meant to be.  There was no way to fight his asthma diagnosis even though he had a waiver prior to entering bootcamp.  Ship 5 takes its toll on the recruits ..... not knowing is the worst part. 

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