This site is for mothers of kids in the U.S. Navy and for Moms who have questions about Navy life for their kids.

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FOLLOW THESE STEPS TO GET STARTED:

Choose your Username.  For the privacy and safety of you and/or your sailor, NO LAST NAMES ARE ALLOWED, even if your last name differs from that of your sailor (please make sure your URL address does not include your last name either).  Also, please do not include your email address in your user name. Go to "Settings" above to set your Username.  While there, complete your Profile so you can post and share photos and videos of your Sailor and share stories with other moms!

Make sure to read our Community Guidelines and this Navy Operations Security (OPSEC) checklist - loose lips sink ships!

Join groups!  Browse for groups for your PIR date, your sailor's occupational specialty, "A" school, assigned ship, homeport city, your own city or state, and a myriad of other interests. Jump in and introduce yourself!  Start making friends that can last a lifetime.

Link to Navy Speak - Navy Terms & Acronyms: Navy Speak

All Hands Magazine's full length documentary "Making a Sailor": This video follows four recruits through Boot Camp in the spring of 2018 who were assigned to DIV 229, an integrated division, which had PIR on 05/25/2018. 

Boot Camp: Making a Sailor (Full Length Documentary - 2018)

Boot Camp: Behind the Scenes at RTC

...and visit Navy.com - America's Navy and Navy.mil also Navy Live - The Official Blog of the Navy to learn more.

OPSEC - Navy Operations Security

Always keep Navy Operations Security in mind.  In the Navy, it's essential to remember that "loose lips sink ships."  OPSEC is everyone's responsibility. 

DON'T post critical information including future destinations or ports of call; future operations, exercises or missions; deployment or homecoming dates.  

DO be smart, use your head, always think OPSEC when using texts, email, phone, and social media, and watch this video: "Importance of Navy OPSEC."

Follow this link for OPSEC Guidelines:

OPSEC GUIDELINES

Events

**UPDATE 4/26/2022** Effective with the May 6, 2022 PIR 4 guests will be allowed.  Still must be fully vaccinated to attend.

**UPDATE as of 11/10/2022 PIR vaccination is no longer required.

**UPDATE 7/29/2021** You now must be fully vaccinated in order to attend PIR:

In light of observed changes and impact of the Coronavirus Delta Variant and out of an abundance of caution for our recruits, Sailors, staff, and guests, Recruit Training Command is restricting Pass-in-Review (recruit graduation) to ONLY fully immunized guests (14-days post final COVID vaccination dose).  

FOLLOW THIS LINK FOR UP TO DATE INFO:

RTC Graduation

**UPDATE 8/25/2022 - MASK MANDATE IS LIFTED.  Vaccinations still required.

**UPDATE 11/10/22 PIR - Vaccinations no longer required.

RESUMING LIVE PIR - 8/13/2021

Please note! Changes to this guide happened in October 2017. Tickets are now issued for all guests, and all guests must have a ticket to enter base. A separate parking pass is no longer needed to drive on to base for parking.

Please see changes to attending PIR in the PAGES column. The PAGES are located under the member icons on the right side.

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Boot Camp Moms (and loved ones)

To everyone with a loved one at RTC or soon to be there, we say, "Welcome!"  To those who are sticking around after PIR to help those who are just beginning this awesome journey, we say, "Thank you!"

**BEGINNING OCTOBER 5, 2023, RECRUIT GRADUATIONS WILL BE CONDUCTED EVERY THURSDAY (NO LONGER ON FRIDAY), EXCEPT FOR THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING, WHEN GRADUATION IS ON WEDNESDAY.

This is a place to talk, ask questions, and share stories. It is our desire that this Group will provide the information, encouragement, and support you need while your loved one is at RTC in Great Lakes. Enjoy your time here and feel free to Comment and join in the Discussions. Be sure to check out the "Pages" to the right, located under the pictures of the Members, especially OPSEC and PERSEC (Making Changes to Your Profile), (Click "View All" to see all of them.)

Please, if you no longer want to be a part of N4M's consider NOT deleting your profile as everything you have ever posted will disappear when you delete it .  You can leave a group but don't permanently delete your profile!

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Answers to Common Questions

The Navy has updated their Cell Phone Usage (4/2024).

Read the article here on personal cell phones for call homes:

Personal Cell Phone Use for Calls Home

This link gives you a breakdown of the training schedule at boot camp.

BASIC MILITARY TRAINING SCHEDULE

New in 2022: Navy to lengthen Basic Military Training

Navy to lengthen Boot Camp - Navy Times

Are there any official RTC sites?

Yes, check out https://www.facebook.com/NavyRecruitTrainingCommand and http://www.bootcamp.navy.mil/. They will have lots of information for you. https://www.facebook.com/NavalServiceTraining also has items at times.

https://www.facebook.com/ASBPGreatLakes has pics of some of the recruits who give blood while at RTC. Those donations occur about 2 weeks (10 to 16 days depending on the division) before PIR.

You may also find pics in https://www.navy.mil/viewGallery.asp.

RTC will stream PIR live at http://navylive.dodlive.mil/ beginning at 8:45 am CST on the day of PIR for those who are unable to attend in person. (Once PIR has passed, you will be able to see the video at https://navylive.dodlive.mil/. If the one you want is not there, then click on a PIR video and then change the date in the URL to the date you want. You will have to change both the numerical date and the written out date in the URL. For example, if you want the video for the March 3, 2017 PIR date, then change https://navylive.dodlive.mil/2019/08/23/navy-recruit-graduation-august-23-2019/ to https://navylive.dodlive.mil/2017/03/03/navy-recruit-graduation-march-3-2017/.)

 

Can recruits take anything to BC with them?

Recruits should go with what they have on their backs, their cell phones, and not much else. Effective August 2022 Recruits can bring their own (approved) running shoes.  (See Things to Do in the Last Month Before Your Future Sailor Leaves for RTC.)

 

What will the first day be like at BC?

See Arrival and What Happens at RTC and Ship/Division--How it Works.

How long is the "I'm here!" call and when will s/he be able to call again?

See Phone Cards and Phone Calls.

 

I got my recruit's address from the recruiter. Can I trust it?

Double-check the address the recruiter gave you against those at 

RTC Division Addresses, but we strongly encourage you to wait on the form letter before sending mail to your recruit since the address provided by the recruiter prior to that can be wrong up to 11 business days or more after the recruit's arrival if the recruit failed the first attempt at the run and then passed (or failed) the second attempt and was ASMO'd to a different division (or to SEPS) or if RTC needed to move recruits for some reason. Sometimes a form letter is not mailed by accident and if it has been at least 3 calendar weeks since your recruit arrived at RTC and you do not have a form letter, then you can call the recruiter and get the address and mail letters to your recruit since the address in the system should be the correct one at that point, but be sure to double-check the address here Ship/Division--How it Works

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**NOTE: There is a virtual graduation for your Sailor that you can watch on the RTC FaceBook page.  It is posted the FRIDAY after PIR.

RTC Facebook Page - Graduation

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When will the Form Letter come and what is in it?

The form letter will arrive in your regular mail around nine to fourteen business days after the recruit's arrival at RTC since it is not mailed until a division’s 1-1 Day of Training, which takes place after your recruit has taken and passed the run portion of the Baseline PFA, which is on or about the fifth business day after arrival (later if the division that your recruit was tentatively placed in upon arrival did not fill until a later date). See Physical Fitness Assessment (PFA) and Fitness Improvement Training (FIT)The brochure that is included from MWRGL about hotels and other things is at Travel Guide . The form letter includes your recruit's address, so now you can mail out all the letters you have been writing. There is more on this in Letter Writing & Fun Stuff/Questionnaires to send to your Recruit.

The form letter will also tell you the date of PIR, so you can start making plans for your trip. There are many hotels in the area and there is information in the grad pack and on this site about them. If you fly in, renting a car will make your life easier. Also, if you are flying, some airlines, such as Southwest, will allow you to change your flight without a charge if something happens, so you do not have to book refundable tickets.  ** EDITED - LIVE PIR's RESUME 8/13/2021**

UPDATED TRAINING SCHEDULE (6/2022 - Thanks to belovedbyHim)

The Expected timeline will look like this:

Day 0 -- Travel, Arrival and "I'm Here" scripted phone call

Week 1 Day 1-7 -- Arrive Onboard RTC and begin P-days (P-days- Initial Processing Days) including 2 days of P-hold (Weekend)

Day 8 -- Begin training and mail form letter out. Look for it to arrive around 1-2 weeks later
Week 2 -- First week of Training including PT and Swim Qualifications
Week 3 -- Marlin Spike - (Line handling- How to tie up a Ship to the Pier) , First inspections and tests (Dental May be this week or next... Not Confirmed)(Form letter/ Personal letters usually arrive this week) 

Week 4 -- Confidence Chamber & Fire Fighting training
Week 5 -- Fire Arms Training    

Week 6 -7 -- More training, Drilling (Flags and Marching).

Week 8 – Battle Stations (done prior to final PFA). Your SR will call home to say they are a Sailor but they still have to pass final PFA in order to graduate.

Week 9 & 10– Warrior Training (Life skills) and Final PFA


Approx 10 Fridays from Departure they will have PIR!! If you can go you will be amazed at the change that happened in just 10 short weeks. For the time being they are also still Live Streaming the PIR ceremony.

Once you know your recruit's PIR date, be sure to join the group for that date. PIR groups are posted on the Comment Wall below once they are created. 

USPS Informed Delivery - Sign up and receive an email from the US Postal Service showing what mail you will be getting each day (if available in your area).  

Informed Delivery®

How long should I plan to stay in the Great Lakes area?

Arrive at least the day before PIR so you can pick up your ticket/s for PIR and also attend Sarge's Meet and Greet if you wish to do so.

If your Sailor's "A" School or training is in GL, then plan to leave late Sunday or on Monday. If your Sailor will be flying out, then plan to leave late Saturday or on Sunday to have the most time with your Sailor. (This may need to be adjusted if PIR is not on Friday.) See Saving Money PIR Weekend and PIR Day and Liberty during PIR Weekend.

**UPDATED LIBERTY RULES - GL - AUGUST 2022**

Here is a link from Great Lakes regarding their Updated Liberty Rules during PIR weekend, effective August, 2022. (Thank you Amy for sharing this with me.)  I'll post it in a few different places.

Updated Liberty Rules for GL - August 2022

SARGE'S MEET & GREET  - BACK AS OF 3/18/2022

Plan to arrive the day before PIR so you won't risk missing PIR and go to Sarge's Meet and Greet from 4pm to 8pm the evening before PIR at the Lakehurst Event Center (go to http://www.mynavytaxi.com/events.html to RSVP). Sarge has a taxi service and he is a wealth of information. His cell number is 847-212-0246. His Meet and Greet and services have been getting great reviews. Find Sarge on N4M as OldSarge.

 

Who can attend PIR?

RESUMING LIVE PIR - 8/13/2021 

Your recruit will indicate the names of up to FOUR guests who will be permitted to receive tickets and attend PIR. RTC may change that to three guests if there is a large TG. Children ages 2 and under do not need a ticket to attend PIR, but a copy of the child's birth certificate may be presented in order for the child to attend PIR. The names of the guests will be listed on the Security Access Form. Your recruit will send the Security Access Form with the form letter and it will need to be completed fully and returned to your recruit. if you do not receive the form letter, then you can download the Security Access Form and complete it and send it to your recruit, but your recruit has the final say on who will attend PIR.

ALL GUESTS 3 YEARS OLD AND OLDER MUST HAVE A TICKET TO ATTEND PIR, INCLUDING MILITARY GUESTS (ACTIVE DUTY, RESERVE, RETIRED, VET). No extra guests allowed, no exceptions.

GUESTS SECURITY ACCESS FORM: If you are going to be attending the graduation ceremony, you will need to fill out the security access form, which is included with your form letter. Return the form to your recruit according to the instructions. 

ONLY YOUR RECRUIT CAN CHANGE THE GRADUATION CEREMONY ACCESS LIST: Your recruit will be able to make changes to the access list throughout training. The last opportunity to make changes will be the week before graduation. If there is a change to be made to the access list (such as a name spelled incorrectly, name-swap, etc…) please communicate any changes to your recruit by mail. Recruit Training Command staff cannot change these names or release the names of those on the list. Please do not call for additional seats!

The form can also be downloaded by anyone from the website, but only the recruit has final say-so as to who will be invited. Those names are submitted and those names will be printed on tickets. All of those guests attending must be present with ID to pick up the ticket in person. No exceptions, no swapping of tickets, no changing of names during final week of graduation.

If you are attending a graduation ceremony, you MUST personally obtain your ticket, you cannot pick up tickets for others. Tickets will be distributed at the Recruit Family Welcome Center, located inside the Navy Exchange Burkey Mall, Bldg. 3452, 2650 Green Bay Road Great Lakes, IL 60088 

Additional information on ticketing is also available at www.bootcamp.navy.mil. (See http://www.bootcamp.navy.mil/faq.html#grad_ceremony.)

Once you receive your ticket, please DO NOT lose it, as this will be the only ticket you will receive. These tickets are not transferable and are serialized to each graduation attendee. If you do not have a ticket, then you will not be permitted access to the base.

The Recruit Family Welcome Center will be open on the following days and times: Thursday [10:00 AM to 7:30 PM], and Friday [5:30 AM to 8:00 AM]. ***Certain federal holidays may require adjusting days and times. Please refer to the command website for those specific updates***

Please plan accordingly so each person listed can check in to receive a ticket for the graduation ceremony. Again, if you don’t have a ticket you will NOT be allowed entry to the base. Tickets will only be issued to those guests who the graduating recruit has verified will be attending. 

Driving on to base.

Driver’s license, vehicle registration, proof of insurance or rental car agreement and graduation ticket must be ready to present to security at access points. Everyone in the car ages three and over must show their ticket to graduation. If someone in the car over the age of two does not have a ticket, they are not allowed through the gate, no exceptions.

  • NO cell phone usage while driving on base! 
  • Seat belts are required for all drivers/passengers at all times
  • Motorcycle drivers/riders MUST have proper protective clothing/equipment such helmet, long pants, long-sleeved shirt, and over the ankle hard-soled boots.
  • Recent graduates are prohibited from operating motor vehicles, including motorcycles, and are NOT allowed to be a passenger on a motorcycle.

See Bootcamp.Navy.Mil for the Frequently Asked Questions.

What will happen PIR weekend?

See PIR Day and Liberty during PIR Weekend

http://www.bootcamp.navy.mil/graduation.html and http://www.navyformoms.ning.com/custom/media/downloads/N4M_PIR_infographic_web.pdf.

S.O. Contract:

Moms whose sons have an S.O. Contract headed to BUD/S there is a group for you.

It is called, BUD/S and SQT (Stages of a S.E.A.L.)

Interested:

Send a friend request to NavyMom(J) for more information.

(Click on the highlighted links.)

Be sure to check out the Pages to the right (under the pictures of the Members) for additional information. (You will need to click "View All" to see all of them.)

Donna is no longer active on the site. Several others who have begun this journey before you are here to help. (Donna, we are forever thankful that you started this group that continues to help so many.)

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Comment by Dana on August 2, 2019 at 9:34am

Anti M - thanks.  Sounds like he has one of those harder marching jobs then according to his letter.  He is tall also and he went in as a E3 due to his Eagle Scout which I told him they might yell and give him more things to do.

Comment by Anti M on August 2, 2019 at 8:30am

@Dana ... hardest job when marching?  Keeping your own feet straight and paying attention.  They're arranged into their sections, with the section leader in front, then by height, with the "sticks" in front of the whole division. The tallest person usually is the division stick (flags on poles, hence sticks).  The Recruit CPO is up front, and the cadence caller, if they have one, is off to the side.  There are also safeties who run up to the intersection when crossing the street.  Hardest movements are About Face, Change Step, or anything on a diagonal.  

I'm going off memory, marching doesn't really change.  I was a stick after I designed the division flag.  It isn't much harder, just more stuff to remember.  I went to boot camp when we had one in Orlando.  Much more outdoor marching.  We finally got the hang of marching together, and could glide up almost silently behind the newer divisions waiting to go into the chow hall.  When the HALT! came, we'd stop with a stomp of the foot, while bouncing our sticks off the ground to make the new ones jump.  Got into trouble for that one, but the two extra hours of drill was worth it.  

Comment by Chipmunk on August 2, 2019 at 7:40am

Dana - I do not recall writing my recruit's actual ship name when addressing letters, but I believe he use to put it in his return address. I followed the protocol that is posted on RTC's website for addressing letters. Here is the link to that page - it is a little long with the specific Ship #s and addresses or I would have just pasted it.

 https://www.bootcamp.navy.mil/faq.html#contacting_recruits

Note that each ship has its own street address and I believe that is the more important thing, along with the ship # than the name of the ship.

Happy PIR day!

Comment by flygraceful on August 2, 2019 at 12:36am

Phoenixmom - thanks for letting us know about the Museum. I didn't know that.

Also, are you raising a grandson or your own son? My third child is the one in BC right now, but we also have a 3 year old at home. I am definitely not the same mom that I was 15 years ago. In some ways, I am so much better, more patient and easy going, but otherways, I am also not into playdates, healthy snack time, scheduled meal times and so many other important things. Oh well.....  

Comment by Dana on August 2, 2019 at 12:23am

I received my first real letter today from my son also.  I really hope the others start listening since it sounds like they are not having fun.  Does anyone know what is the hardest job when marching?  When they list their ship as USS x do we add that on the address to make mail get to them faster?

Comment by jillybean on August 1, 2019 at 11:04pm

I received my first real letter from my son today. He says he's dong well and enjoying the work-outs. I knew he would be fine, but am relieved to hear he is in good spirits. 

Comment by Phoenixmom on August 1, 2019 at 11:03am

If you are attending this Friday's recruit graduation ceremony, you must pick up your tickets in advance at the Recruit Family Welcome Center at Burkey Mall, located off base, 2650 Green Bay Road, North Chicago, IL 60088.

Ticket pickup hours: 10 a.m.-7:30 p.m. Thursday, and 5:30 a.m.-8:30 a.m. Friday. If you are picking up your tickets on Friday, please allow yourself ample time to pick up tickets and arrive to the ceremony prior to 8:45 a.m.

Each guest must pick up their tic...ket individually and they must have an ID.

There are no tickets available for extra guests or guests whose names are not on the access list. **Guests who do not have a ticket are not allowed on base and there is no waiting area for them.**

Names cannot be changed/swapped at the time of pickup; only the names that are on the access list will be given tickets. Recruits are not authorized to add the names of other recruits' guests to their own list and should this be discovered at the time of ticket pickup that they did, the extra guests will be denied their tickets and the recruit's Recruit Divisions Commanders will be notified.

***Banners, signs, posters, flowers, gift bags, and large bags are NOT ALLOWED inside the drill hall. Please leave these items in your vehicles otherwise you will need to leave them at the guest relations desk inside the visitors center for retrieval after the ceremony. All purses and bags are subject to search.***

As a reminder, taxis, shuttles and share rides are not allowed on base at RTC. Guests will be dropped off at the gate and then it's about a 1/4-mile walk to the visitors center for check-in. Please keep this in mind during inclement weather.
Maps/directions will be available at the ticket pick-up location.

*PLEASE NOTE* If you are returning to RTC later in the day to pick up your recruit, everyone in the vehicle must still have a ticket in order to drive onto the base.

For those not attending the ceremony, it will be live-streamed beginning at 8:45 a.m. at http://navylive.dodlive.mil

Comment by Phoenixmom on August 1, 2019 at 11:02am

Here is the current list of the PIR groups. Please be sure to join the group for your recruits graduation date. There may/will be info in the groups that may not be available in this group.

PIR: August 02, 2019 TG 39 15 Divisions (261 - 274, and 939)

The August 02, 2019 TG 39 will be allowed only 3 guests for PIR

PIR: August 09, 2019 TG 40 13 Divisions (275- 286, and 940)

The August 09, 2019 TG 40 will be allowed only 3 guests for PIR

PIR: August 16, 2019 TG 41 15 Divisions (287 - 300, and 941)

 The August 16, 2019 TG 41 will be allowed only 3 guests for PIR

PIR: August 23, 2019 TG 42 5 Divisions (301 - 304, and 942)

PIR August 30, 2019 TG 43 15 Divisions (307 - 320, and 943)

The August 30, 2019 TG 43 will be allowed only 3 guests for PIR

PIR: September 06, 2019 TG 44 15 Divisions (321-334, and 944)

The September 06, 2019 TG 44 will be allowed only 3 guests for PIR

PIR: September 13, 2019 TG 45 15 Divisions (335 - 346, 820, 821, and 945)

The September 13, 2019 TG 41 will be allowed only 3 guests for PIR

Click on the date of your recruit’s PIR and join the group to connect with others with loved ones training with your recruit. 

Comment by Phoenixmom on August 1, 2019 at 11:00am

Remember folks those that cannot attend the PIR there is a way!

The National Museum of the American Sailor has space available for viewing the recruit graduation ceremony on live stream each morning of graduation. This is a good option for guests who do not have a ticket to attend the ceremony.

*Minors under the age of 18 must be accompanied by an adult.*

The space available is for only 200 guests and will be available on a first-come, first-served basis when the doors open at 8:30 a.m. on graduation morning.

The museum is located next to the front entrance of the main side of the base at 2531 Sheridan Road, Great Lakes, just outside the gates. Guests will not access the base nor get in the line of cars going through the main gate. Rather, please pass the lane leading to the front gate and drive to the next entrance that leads to the parking lot for the museum.

For more details, please call 847-688-3154 or visit https://www.facebook.com/nationalmuseumoftheamericansailor

Comment by Phoenixmom on August 1, 2019 at 10:59am

Today's Daily Bread:

Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them. He said: “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

– Matthew 5:1-3
 
 
 

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