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Comment by Sue(Daniel's Mom) on March 14, 2010 at 8:33pm

Holly, everything you feel is normal. The "pit" will be there until you get your first letter and phone call. The worry will always be there but it will get easier as the time goes by. You will still be able to support him through the letters that you send him and the encouragement you give in those letters. For me I have to pray each day that my son will use his good common sense and the good manners that he has always used. That he will make decisions based on what we have taught him and rely on his faith and trust in God to see him through. Hang in there - he will make it just fine and so will you. This site is a great place to talk with other Moms and these ladies will be a great support for you and your family. God Bless.

Comment by hollyhb on March 14, 2010 at 8:21pm

hi, my son left this past tues. got my call at midnight. still have pit in bottom of stomach, and guilt, is this normal? he almost 20, and a p.i.a.sometimes but hes never been without somekind of family for back up..just worried...

Comment by Arwen on March 14, 2010 at 6:33pm

Here's a bunch of stuff I wrote up earlier...

Welcome to boot camp. Here's a few things that may help you out in the first few weeks.

How will I know that my recruit has arrived safely?

You will get a very short (5-10 second) call from your recruit soon after s/he arrives at RTC Great Lakes. It sounds like they are reading from a script. "Hi mom, I arrived safely. I can't talk, I love you. Bye." Don't try to get them to talk longer, this will just get them yelled at by their RDC. This call may come as early as 5 p.m or as late as 2 am.

If your recruit brought his or her cell phone with them you will be able to talk and/or text while they are at their hotel, a little at MEPS, at the airport in your home area, and at the airport in Chicago. They may be in the Chicago airport USO for several hours waiting for the Navy bus that transports them to boot camp. They will eat dinner at the airport (the Navy gives them a "food chit" to pay for it). As soon as they get on the bus, they have to turn off their phone. Recruits who have their cell phones are usually allowed to make that last call home on their own phone.

What is The Box?

The first thing you will get is "The Box" or "Kid in a Box." No, there is no note inside, and the return address is a generic one. Do not try to use this address to send things to your recruit. Warning: this is a FedEx box of dirty laundry, clothes they have been wearing for 2-3 days and their cell phone and anything else they brought with them. You may also find items from the list the recruiter said your recruit can bring to boot camp, such as bras and underwear. This collection of items has been stewing in its own juices for several days, and during the summer, baked to perfection. Open with caution. This box usually arrives 4-7 days after their arrival in boot camp.

So, what does my recruit actually get to keep?

The ONLY things they will be allowed to keep are their wallet, a small religious medal (it must be the same size or smaller than dog tags), a small religious text (Bible/Torah/Book of Shadows, etc), and a tiny address book. For their first few days they are given a sock to store their personal items. If it doesn't fit in the sock they can't keep it. Everything else goes in The Box.

Put an activated phone card, a book of stamps and basic addresses and phone numbers in the wallet. Recruits will be able to get Navy stationery at the mini NEX at boot camp.

When will I get my recruit's address and graduation information?

You may be able to learn your recruit's division assignment and address from his/her recruiter. If your recruiter can not find the information, you may have to wait until your form letter.

Your form letter usually arrives 7 to 10 days after recruits arrive at boot camp. It has a lot of information including the exact address to write to your recruit, your recruit's PIR date, and about six lines for your recruit to send a short personal note home. Keep this letter in a safe place, it also has the internet password for your PIR parking pass.

Only one form letter is sent, and the recruit determines who gets it. If the recruit has several options (a "significant other" and parents, or parents who do not share an address) and you do not get the letter, check with the other people who may have received it.


When will I get *real* mail?

Recruits will not be allowed to write home for their first week or two, I got my first real letter about a week and a half after I got the form letter. Your letters may not catch up to them for about three weeks, so those first few letters may ask why you're not writing. don't panic, it will get to them. Date your letters so your recruit knows when they were sent.

Recruits are only allowed to mail letters out on Sunday (they actually get sent Monday), so expect your letters Wednesday or Thursday, and on weeks with a post office holiday, Thursday or Friday. Unless you live very close to Chicago, then it's Tuesday/Wednesday.

When will my recruit get to call home?

Your next phone call will come during Week 3, which is actually their fourth week - the first week is processing and does not count towards training. Recruits have three guaranteed calls during boot camp: the "I'm here" call the night they arrive, the "I'm still alive" call in the 3rd week of training, and the "I'm a sailor" call in their 7th week. Any other calls have to be earned.

Some divisions earn a half-dozen calls, others never earn an extra call. If they are going to earn calls it will probably be in the fourth week or later. It is rare for recruits to earn a call during the first half of boot camp.


Some recruits call in the second and sixth weeks to get more information for their security clearance. They won't be allowed to chat at that time, they are to give you a list of items they need, and a phone number to fax it to.

How can I get in touch with other moms/girlfriends/wives from my recruit's division?

When you learn your recruit's PIR date, look for a PIR group to join on N4M Groups. You will have between seven and 15 divisions per PIR group (A PIR Group is all divisions in the same week of training, who will graduate together). Since there are usually only 5-10 moms from each division, and groups are at about the same level of training, you will find better conversations among PIR groups than just a single division.

If one does not yet exist, you will want to start one. Try to find something distinctive as your group icon, it makes it easier to find on a list of groups.

Because of limited time and space for classrooms and training buildings, divisions in a group start training on different days, 2 or 3 divisions per day. For example, on Monday Div 001, Div 002 and Div 003 all start day 1-1. On Tuesday Div 004, 005 and 006 start day 1-1, etc. Divisions who are on the same day of training are "brother divisions." They get to know each other and generally know what is happening with their brother division(s).

Comment by Arwen on March 14, 2010 at 6:25pm

Christmas and Thanksgiving were treated like Sundays, they got a half-day off, they can go to church for religious holidays (like Christmas) but no phone call. They did get a nice "special" meal but that was the extent of the recognition of the holidays.

Some senior recruits (those in their final weeks of training) are more likely to get a call home on a holiday, but still not guaranteed.

Also, the box will NOT have the note in it. It usually arrives some time the same week, usually after the box, but I do know one mom who got them the same day, and one who got the letter a day before the box.

Comment by DawnMomOfSR Ship 02-Div 909 on March 14, 2010 at 6:13pm

Arwen - My son will be away for all those holidays! He leaves for BC November 17th. I have been wondering what would happen and how Holiday's are handled at BC. Can you tell me, was your son able to get a call on Christmas and/or Thanksiving? Thanks for the info!

Comment by MV (Ensign Boone's mom) on March 14, 2010 at 6:08pm

Arwen, this is such helpful information! Thanks! I can see I will need to guess, and then wait to confirm once his box arrives with the note. I truly appreciate all these details and comments! What a wonderful bunch of women y'all are!!!

Comment by Arwen on March 14, 2010 at 6:03pm

PIR is usually NOT 8 weeks from arrival at boot camp. Recruits spend 4 to 10 days processing (doing paperwork, physical exams, etc). When they finish processing their eight weeks begin.

Their first day can start on any day of the week, but PIR (the public graduation ceremony) is always held on a Friday. Sometimes they finish their official eight weeks before that Friday, occasionally they're still on their 7th week.

If there are a lot of holidays during their training (holidays do not count) it can set them back in their training schedule. My son had Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year's, President's Day and MLK Day. - he lost a whole week!

So it can be longer or shorter, depending on many factors. Some recruits manage to get through boot camp in as little as 7 1/2 weeks, others take as long as 10 weeks, without being set back or delayed in training. It entirely depends on timing and luck.

Comment by Colleen in PA on March 14, 2010 at 4:55pm

My son arrived GL on 27JAN and his PIR is 19MAR. That's 7 weeks 3 days. In the form letter you will receive, the date is in there but it could changed depending on if your SR gets set back in training or not.

Comment by MV (Ensign Boone's mom) on March 14, 2010 at 3:38pm

Hi Gayle, I was just trying to figure this out! My son leaves on Monday, April 12, so I can't tell if his PIR would be 06/04 or 06/11...LOL! Math and calendars were never my strength. :-)

Comment by Hope-Nuke ET Wife on March 14, 2010 at 2:41pm

Awesome! I hope they get to meet at A school and become friends! Does he have a specific job he wants? (EM, MM, ET?) My husband want's to be an ET.

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